Talk:Football chant

Other regions
So you say there are only football chants in Australia, Italy and England? Thats utter nonsens like the whole article! It needs to be cleaned up and either expanded or renamed! And please add a note to all those yanks out there that "soccer" is called football in the rest of the world! --92.223.57.28 (talk) 12:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * “The rest of the world” like Ireland, South Africa, Singapore, New Zealand…?
 * Please add a note to all those Brits out there that soccer is an English word! —Wiki Wikardo 03:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the rest of the world is excluded from this article. The article needs to widened, to make it as an article "in general" about football chants. Then we can create articles about the football chants per country. Kubura (talk) 02:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources?
Per WP:V everything here needs to be sourced to valid third party sources. After a reasonable time, I'm going to start removing unsourced stuff, which at present is most of the article. --John (talk) 07:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Did the first trim today. Eventually, everything here has to be referenced per WP:V. I'll come back in a few days for the rest. --John (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Folklore category
It is correct this is part of the tradition of blason populaire, but it is also part of a much older tradition - flyting. This was a traditional battle of wits - it had to be poetic and humorous - which took place before a battle. A famous eg of which is The Battle of Maldon. In order to "win" you had to win two things: 1. the battle of wits and 2. the actual battle. The goal was to achieve "fame" and fame meant going down in history. Being a good warrior was only part of this. In this sense, football is a ritualised battle and the supporters are continuing the tradition of flyting, where each side insulted one another and egged their comrades on. Flyting thus performs two functions, as do football chants. 1. to bond the group 2. to psych out the opposition. A simple insult is never valued as much as wit. I hope this information adds to your origin story - the roots of the chants go back to Viking and Anglo Saxon times. A good piece of research was done by the Centre for English Cultural Tradition eg see http://centre-for-english-traditional-heritage.org/TraditionToday4/TT4_Luhrs_Blason_Populaire.pdf Although this is a European tradition (flyting) the chant has now become part of the culture of football and has thus been exported with the game. There are strong associations of dance and singing with sport (because it is ritualised battle) eg the haka in rugby clearly fits within this tradition.SandrinaHatman (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If you have a source that relates football chants to flyting, then by all means add it to article. The source you gave makes no mention of flyting. Hzh (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)