Talk:For Your Eyes Only (film)

Sign that Moore was too old?
"Now why don't you put your clothes back on, and I'll buy you an ice cream." -- Beardo 01:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Nah, a sign that Bibi was too young ;] Captain deathbeard (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. I'm trying to figure out when Bibi's age is mentioned. The actress was less than a year younger than Carole Bouquet, and both were in their early 20s. For many like me in the AUDIENCE, it was certainly a sign that Moore was too old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.24.168.39 (talk) 18:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:For Your Eyes Onlydrag.jpg
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PCS with Blofeld
Note that Blofeld is not actually mentioned in the PCS or anywhere else in the movie. I believe that the "rights" to his name were owned by the producers of Never Say Never Again, the non-canonical Bond movie with Sean Connery made at about the same time. Yet there can be little doubt that Blofeld is the villain dropped down the chimney, as he is seen with his white cat, and the opening has Bond at his wife's grave, and she was murdered by Blofeld (then played by Telly Savalas in his pre-Kojak days) at the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. 64.85.225.235 (talk) 16:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Peer review

 * We are missing the book that goes with reference (currently ref 13): Cork & d'Abo 2003 ✅ - Put the wrong book in the cites! Correct one now inserted. -  SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 06:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "A Common Bond". Posterwire.com. 9 February 2008. Looks self-published (currently ref 43). ✅ - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 06:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 *  "Benson on Bond". The International Association of Media Tie-In Writers. Retrieved 16 August 2011. – I've marked this because I think it needs a closer check. It seems to be a collection of interviews with writers, but I couldn't establish who the publisher is.  If it is someone reputable then this should be fine, but if it's fansite just posting up interviews then it fails RS. If we can't establish the publisher I think it should be replaced (currently ref 60).
 * It's a re-hash of an interview Benson did with CommanderBond.net (see http://commanderbond.net/2312/the-raymond-benson-cbn-interview-part-ii.html) Would you think that also classifies as a self-published source or as a valid source to use? It's a debatable point is CB.net is self-published and I'm not sure how the site is viewed...! - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 06:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe it is permissable as a primary source since Benson gave a direct interview to CommandBond.net, so I think it is an acceptable source for Benson's opinion. It would be kind of bizarre if we said you can't use the interview direct from CB.net, but you can use the bits that The NY Times publish. Betty Logan (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 07:35, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * A couple of issues with the "Blofeld" character in the casting section. It appears that the legal circumstances of using the character are not referenced; however there is a source halfway through the sentence, so if that covers it the citation should be moved to the end of the sentence. I recall Bond sinking Blofeld's sub at the end of Diamonds Are Forever, but I don't recall conclusive confirmation of Blofeld's death.  The scene is slightly ambiguous, so the claim of Blofeld's death should be sourced, but if we don't source it we should simply state his death is implied but not shown (it's a while since I saw it so if I'm just remembering it incorrectly then by all means remove the tag).  ✅ -  SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 06:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The first and third paragraphs of the Production section need sourcing. The first source is needed for the creative direction of the film, the second is needed for Fleming's caveat regarding only using the title of "The Spy Who Loved Me".
 * I'm not a fan of the minutiae of where words appear in titles etc. To me it smacks of being over-detailed, which is not what is needed (and goes against WP:DETAIL) Would anyone object if we just lost the whole paragraph? - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 08:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * On second thoughts (and with WP:BOLD as a defence) I've taken it out already and if anyone wants to argue then they can put it back in later! - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 17:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm ok with that. I personally thought the same thing, and as an 'editor' probably would have removed it myself. When I peer review though I try to restrict myself just to issues that stand in the way of article promotion. Betty Logan (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The final paragraph of the "Writing" section requires a source.
 * Not sure whether to leave the following info in the 'Cast' section, or include it in 'Writing' or both! Any thoughts / suggestions? - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 07:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the final paragraph has relatively little to do with the writing or indeed the development of FYEO, so I would merge it into the casting section. Betty Logan (talk) 23:01, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've had another go at the section in writing as I think it needed to be addressed (it's a notable sequence in its own right and we had a lot of un-sourced material in there) Let me know what you think - feel free to revert or re-write if you think it's still rubbish! - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 06:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * In the comic-book adaptation section there is a paragraph about the differences between the comic and the film. Generally we don't include a list of differences unless they are attributable to a secondary source as per MOSFILM. A secondary source is required since an editor highlighting differences potentially violates WP:WEIGHT i.e. you could reel off an endless list of differences, so it is not the editor's place to pick out what they perceive as the "key differences".  I think this should mostly be removed barring the—addition of a source—except for one aspect: the presence of M in the story.  Since M's absence from the film is covered in some detail by the article, I think Due Weight actually compels us to document his presence in the comic. The issue has already been established as notable within the context of the article through secondary sources, so I feel mention of M's inclusion in the comic should be retained.  The rest should go unless we can establish the notability of the differences via a secondary source.
 * ✅ I can find no information to support any of the points raised, so I've removed the paragraph. It looks a little too much like original research to me.  Again, if anyone can find a suitable source then it can br put back in in a more appropiate. -  SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 08:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

A few sourcing issues need to be sorted out; I'll take a closer look at the neutrality tomorrow, although apart from the comic-book section I didn't notice any serious issues while checking the sourcing. Betty Logan (talk) 02:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I notice Igordebraga has added a segment on the "symbolism" of Bond's Lotus being blown up. While I don't dispute the claim, I don't think symbolic interpretations should be added without a source, no matter how obvious they are to the viewer. Betty Logan (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything on this from my sources... I'll tag it and let him let us know where he got it from. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 08:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I checked the neutrality and nothing appears to need addressing in those terms, beside the due weight issue in the comic book section. It's basically just the sourcing issues that have to be sorted out and then it will be ready for its GA review. Betty Logan (talk) 22:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I've taken it out (it's below) and if Igor can find something to back it up then it can go in again! I've been over it again and I'm pretty happy with it, so I'm going to bite the bullet and list it now... just don't shout at me if you think I'm being too early! ;) - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 22:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

It looks good to go; I've fixed some MOS violations and added some wiki-linking, and I've also run a Webcite comb on the article. If the GA reviewer finds any issues I am sure they will only be minor ones. Betty Logan (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM Assessment
Per a request at WikiProject Film/Assessment, I have assessed this article, reassessing it at B class. I also went through and did some copyediting in the article, please review my edits. I unfortunately started this without realizing that the above GA review had taken place. Please offset any issues I may have caused that conflict with the above. Going through the article, the only qualms I had was that the plot could still use another workover or two, and the that the image of the watch may have the same issue as the toy gun in The Man with the Golden Gun. Please verify if it is Commons acceptable for any non-free issues. I would also recommend expanding/cleaning up the fair use rationale on the comic book image. If you have any questions about this assessment, please let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Tracy Bond gravestone.jpg
I've removed the image of the grave stone from the article, pending a decision from Media Copyright people as to whether this is a copyright free image or not. if they say it is okay, it can go back in. if they do not, then I suggest it is not worth putting it back into the article. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 14:59, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Blofeld's voice
The article claims that Peter "Marrinker" (sic) did Blofeld's voice. The Smith book misspells Peter Marinker's name - never a good sign. Apparently the book contains more than its fair share of errors. For example, the authors claim that OHMSS clocks in at 152 minutes. See here. (Google search the following review: "A good book but with some howlers, October 23, 2002" "By Edward Nelson".) All other sources indicate Robert Rietti did the voice, though I can't immediately locate a primary source citation. Fanthrillers (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite right - the Cork & Stutz encyclopaedia confirm it. Cheers - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 22:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much; I had a feeling the source was wrong... most notably, because Rietty's voice from the Bond films is now quite recognizable to my ears. Wish I could've supplied a better source, but thanks. :-) Stolengood (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Error in reference
The article mentions that one of the 2CV cars was modified for the film with a plate on its roof so that it could be spun upside-down, and I've checked the linked reference and it does indeed corroborate this - except it is wrong. In the film, it is one of the black villain cars that ends up on its roof, only to be struck by the second black car and left spinning upside-down. The 2CV never ends up on its roof (it does briefly roll down a hill, but it never comes to a rest on its roof). The information being referenced is incorrect, as is this article.--Leigh Burne (talk) 10:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Lisl's driver?
The article states that he overhears Lisl inform Bond that he is known to be a secret agent. I watched this last night for about the 15th time this month, and no such conversation happens. He merely tells her he wants to write an article on Greek smugglers and inquires as to whether or not she can help him, moments before she, unsurprisingly for a woman in a Bond film, melts into his arms. Maybe I'm watching a different version... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.126.80 (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you're right. In future please remember to sign your posts with four ascii tildes ~ . - Fanthrillers (talk) 00:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Good article status dispute
Hi. I noticed that some tags have just been added to this article by someone else, claiming that it needs more citations and possibly contains original research. This doesn't seem to be the case in my opinion; the article is full of citations. But if it really is true, wouldn't the article need to be stripped of its "Good article" status? I think someone needs to look at this. All I can say is that the person who did this seems to have a track record of being disruptive. 108.95.130.150 (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * you are right, i did not scroll all the way down to the production section. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:00, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Caroline Cossey
Should the appearance of transsexual actress Caroline Cossey be incorporated into the article? On the one hand, she had an uncredited bit role, and thus is hardly worthy of note; on the other hand, a number of urban legends have sprung up because of her part in the movie, including the mistaken belief that Carole Bouquet, the actress playing Melina Havelock, was in fact the transsexual. Would mentioning her role clear up any confusion that some readers might have—or simply make things worse? 108.246.205.134 (talk) 08:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it may make things worse, and is—as far as this particular article is concerned—she was a she way before the film was made and so the impact on the film was nominal. We don't tend to dwell on the trivial stuff on the film page itself. Her personal history and situation is adequately covered on her talk page. That's just my take on it: others may disagree. - SchroCat (talk) 09:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Misdirection
The fourth paragraph, starting with "For Your Eyes ... ", mentions "10 years since Diamonds ... ", which makes it sound like there was some kind of gap between film production, when clearly there was not. What is the significance in the gap between this film and the other? What is the relevance of the statement? SquashEngineer (talk) 19:34, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Reference: There clearly were other Bond films between 1971 and 1981 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_in_film#Albert_R._Broccoli_and_Harry_Saltzman_(1967%E2%80%931975) SquashEngineer (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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Films about Margaret Thatcher
I am not sure that this is an appropriate category for the article to be in - the film is hardly about Margaret Thatcher, with her 'appearance' being restricted to an obvious gag at the end which lasts for less than a minute. Dunarc (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't say about the categorization, but I thought it was inappropriate to not even mention the Thatcher appearance, as that was quite unusual for a Bond film—I think it's the only time the series has shown a real politician, even if only as a gag. So I added a very brief mention of it in the appropriate spot. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 18:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

"accidentally trawling an old naval mine in the Ionian Sea"
In the scene when Bond and Columbo attack Kristatos's warehouse, you can clearly see naval mines just like the one from the St. George's sinking (in fact, this is what Locque blows up to escape). Could it be that it wasn't an "old naval mine," but rather a mine that Kristatos planted?

Deane (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Interesting but speculative. None of the characters on screen refer to this, so it cannot be confirmed. The opening sequence on the trawler gives the impression that the incident is accidental, so the article wording is OK.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

cite video
The "cite video" template fields are messed up and causing CS1 errors. Instead of this:
 * title=Inside For Your Eyes Only|location=For Your Eyes Only – Ultimate Edition, Disk 2

it should be something like this:
 * title=For Your Eyes Only|chapter=Inside For Your Eyes Only|edition=Ultimate|volume=2

GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)