Talk:Ford F-Series/Archive 1

Special Editions
I think the Lightning header should be renamed as Special Editions, to showcase the specific limited edition models, such as the otherwise mentioned King Ranch, Harley Davidson F-150, and Lightning. The Lightning in particular, with a richer history, should have its own page (for which one exists). Rurik 12:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * If this is the case, you should also add Explorer to that list, since the Explorer was originally a Special Edition of the Ford F-Series, then was spread to other light-duty truck lines(Econoline, Ranchero, Bronco), before replacing the "Bronco II." DanTD 14:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

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I have no connection to the different names or companies Ford connects with for it's Special Editions. I find all of them Interesting, like Harley or whoever, but maybe a year ago I saw one I had no idea what it was... turns out a 'sub-culture' I knew nothing of.. until I asked around.

So any information that can be included in wiki Main page as to the 'iconic' F-150's "excursions into cultural marketing links" (i.e. special editions) I would find Fascinating. (with a product so wide spread I think how it connects to marketing ideas reflects parts of the overall culture of the time)

The One that caught my eye was the Cabela edition... (had to surf some more to find the name again, now from other wiki page..) "Cabela's (NYSE: CAB) is a Sidney, Nebraska-based direct marketer and specialty retailer of hunting, fishing, camping and related outdoor recreation merchandise. It also has "Trophy Properties LLC (a real estate market), "Outdoor Adventures (hunting and fishing trips), and the "Gun Library" (where people can buy and sell new and used firearms). Its direct marketing operation is one of the largest in the United States. The company went public in 2004, with that fiscal year's revenue reaching $1.56 billion, a 50% growth since 2001.".....  Who knew!? well I had no idea until I saw the pickup. Kevin in CA (72.132.146.129 (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC))

nobody has mentioned the roush racing or the saleen racing f150 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.226.60 (talk) 09:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Pointless Links
Shouldn't the link to "Brent Gayhart's" 'tribute page' be removed, seeing as it barely qualifies as a website? The whole page amounts to little more than barely relevant links, and is either an ironic pisstake or truly the work of someone that should not be allowed near a computer. If anything it would put most people off giving Ford trucks another thought. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wefallapart (talk • contribs).

Infobox spacing?
What does anyone think about spacing the infoboxes so that they are aligned to the specific sections. When I read this article, I had to scroll up and down to see the infoboxes for each generation of truck. I went ahead and changed them, so let me know if they work. Cheezerman 05:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge?
There has been a merge tag on Ford F550 for a long time - there is no mention of that number in this article and so I'm not sure if it should be merged or not - could someone who knows the subject either do the merge or remove the tag. Kcordina Talk 15:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree, but am not that sure on the topic Flymeoutofhere 16:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Tough call. This article as it stands deals with just the pickup models (150, 250, and 350), and not so much the commercial models (450 and up).  While they're both "F-Series", one could argue splitting them into two articles because of the huge content. But yes, the F550 article should redirect to one or the other. --Vossanova 15:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Tricky - there doesn't seem to be an article for the 450 and up models, which would be the obvious home for the F550 page - I don't think merging to this article is a good idea as the article is already long, and the subject is different, so the 550 information is likely to get lost (or it would need a lot of flagging in which case the article would grow even more). I'm inclined to say leave it as is and hope that someone creates an article for the 450 and up models that is the equivalent of this one. Kcordina Talk 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Twin I-Beam Suspension
The article says that the Twin I-Beam front suspension came out in 1973. This is incorrect, as the first year for the Twin I-Beam was 1965. The 65 and 66 trucks have "TWIN I-BEAM" emblems on the front fenders. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bugo (talk • contribs).

Auto transmission
The article claims that 1973 offered the first automatic transmission option. But in fact there are numerous 1967-72 models still on the road with factory automatics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.91.83.194 (talk) 11:42, 22 June 2006

F-150 Explorer
Ford also offerers on 1980-1986 F-150 with Explorer trim.  can anyone confirm this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.83.153.249 (talk) 04:27, 16 June 2006


 * The Explorer was a Special Edition from around 1969 to the time it replaces the Bronco II. DanTD 14:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

COMBATT
Any idea which of the F350s the COMBATT is based on. I came across what I think is an example on Irish_Army_Rangers there is some more info at []

Ekilfeather 22:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tenth generation last model year?
Since this generation of the F-150 was made for 2004 as the Heritage model while sharing its place with the current Eleventh generation, shouldn't the last model year of the Tenth generation be listed as 2004 and not 2003 ? —S3BST3R 06:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Are the generations arbitrary, or official?
Why is 1992 called a new generation truck with only a new front end, gauges, and slightly different tailgate IIRC, while the truck got about the same level of changes, for example, for 1951 (new front fascia) ? Are these the generations as defined by Ford Motor or some Wikipedia user? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lio45 (talk • contribs).

They are based on the generally accepted years. 204.65.66.99 18:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no. Yes but in 2004 you could get either body style. The newer bodystyle usually takes over the old body stlye.01lariatcrew (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sales records?
Two claims are made in this article which conflict with externally verified claims elsewhere on Wikipedia: I've edited the article to tone down the hyperbole a bit. --DeLarge 16:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The 912,000 sold in 2004 is claimed to be a single year record, but conflicts with several sources, not least of all Ford themselves. It was beaten in 2005 (939,000), but Ford only claims that to be a single year record for trucks. Furthermore, as cited at List of automotive superlatives, the Chevrolet Impala's 1965 tally was >1,000,000.
 * 2) More importantly, it's claimed in the opening to be "the best-selling vehicle in the world for 23 years". I don't have global figures, but I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of the vehicle's sales are in the U.S. market, so there's not going to be a lot more to add to the 940,000 sold last year. This compares with the Toyota Corolla, for which Toyota claims 1.36 million in 2005.


 * In response to the second claim you address, I feel that the trouble with this claim is that it is not well-defined--as very few things are in advertising. (For example, "America's Favorite Fries" was a trademark used by McDonald's in the 1990s) Anyway, the meaning of "the best-selling vehicle in the world" is not a well-defined statement. The F-Series has been on the market for a long time, which means that the total gross sales over the vehicle's lifetime on the market probably exceeds that of other car lines. The problem is that the criterion to decide what is "the best-selling vehile in the world" was never officially or rigorously defined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.218.108 (talk) 02:55, 18 February 2007

NPOV Tag
I added an NPOV tag to the 2008 Superduty section because it reads like a sale pitch. Sounds like it was written by someone who really likes Ford and dislikes "the competition". Phasmatisnox 00:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have not seen the Chevrotlet/Gmc truck articles, but strong opposition between the two manufacturers (ford and GM) and between the loyal consumers of each brand does exist. Or are you just someone that really dislikes ford and really likes "the competition"? Actually, I rather liked the article.66.190.151.65 23:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Wiki Guest user


 * I've rewritten it, that section wasn't very good anyway. It needs to be expanded though. --Sable232 00:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Heavier-duty vehicles
Should there be more mention of some of Ford's F-series medium duty trucks, like the F750 and F800? Both have been in common North American use for decades, but there is only a very brief mention in the 'notes' section. I don't think I have enough info to write anything, but should any content on this subject go here? Although they aren't pickups, conventional medium cabs were and are part of the F-series. Blotto adrift 22:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. They should be covered somewhere, but I'm not sure if they ought to be here or on a new page, since this one is fairly long. I recall there were a few editors who wanted to put together a WikiProject for heavy trucks, I suppose the F-650 and up would fall under that. Either way, I'd like to see them covered. --Sable232 01:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I think there should be a whole new page on it, with direct links between the both of them. I've already got chapters arranged for each generation of the medium-duty F-Series. And if you cover those, you should also add the B-Series School Bus chassis to go with them. DanTD 14:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The length of the current F-Series page and the separate class of the Super Duty trucks warrants their being split into a new page.  Greg the White Falcon 22:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

South American Versions
I would happily translate the original spanish language version and re-post it, if it were to become available to me. I can see various instances of babelfishesque literary contamination evident throughout the text... Sospelotudo 03:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm think of writing an entry for the Brazilian F-Series. There is enough difference that it probably should be it's own page.IFHP (talk) 10:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Information on a 1996 ford f250 with a 460 engine
I am looking for some information on my ford f250. I've had it for a few years now and I'm looking to find out how many ford f250 came with 460 engines. All I the information is not the diesel. Or some people tell me the engine wasn't an option in 1996 for f250. I've seem them in f350, but no luck with the f250. I was talking to a salesman at the dealer ship and he told me the engine could be a special order, making the truck a rare one to find.

Could anyone tell me were I could find out more information, it would be greatly appreciated My e-mail is trevor339@hotmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.80.85 (talk) 23:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC).


 * i dont know. i know the 460/7.5L was officially retired in 96 but dont know if it was in the f250. also y does link to ford lobo direct to fseries page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.113.193 (talk) 00:01, 16 April 2007

Too long?
Anyone else think this article is to long for the subject? Not that Ford trucks are bad cars or anything like that, but really, this is almost like the Corvette article I still wrangle with.

Not every little bit needs to be in this article. Also, is it just me, or when its read, does the article seem a little promotional? Like a Ford employee wrote it or something? We took great strides to try and reduce write ups by employees for other makes, I do not see why similar steps do not have to be taken here and the accuracy of some claims improved.

Signed by Scryer_360, who once again forgot to sign in.


 * It is way too long. Most of that stems from the Super Duty section, which I am going to split into a new article as soon as I can sort out that mess. Some IP added a bunch of stuff a few weeks ago, and took one hundred and twenty edits to do it. Most of it was questionable at the very least, but I really didn't have much grounds to revert it. --Sable232 19:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think there should be a F100 F150 F250 F350 Page like this one and all others F450 F550 F600 F650 F750 F800 etc. on a ford f series medium duty truck page. As for the new f450 super duty pickup it should proably be on the pickup page with the chassis cab version on the med. truck page. maybe call the F100 - F350/450 ford pickups and the others ford medium duty trucks. as for the B-series, I don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.138.103.148 (talk) 00:14, 7 May 2007


 * It's long, but for a top selling vehicle that has been around for 60 years, I don't think that it is unreasonably long.IFHP (talk) 10:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's too long to navigate comfortably. For the Toyota Corolla and Subaru Legacy, each generation is split into its own article. The same should be done for the Ford F-Series; there should be a shorter, easy to navigate article for every single generation. You could provide more information about each generation if they were all split into individual articles. --Reelcheeper (talk)


 * Most generations don't have enough information for a standalone article.
 * I'm not sure that the problem with this article is being too long, but more that it's chock full of cruft, the layout is atrocious, and most sections have been turned into image galleries. We should fix those problems first and then see what's left.
 * On the latter two, I'd like to try removing all but the infobox images, and creating something on Commons to organize the images for each generation. They're not even categorized by generation yet, but I'm wondering if gallery pages, properly organized, would work. If there's a significant cosmetic change that should be shown, a second image would do, but these rows upon rows of galleries need to go. That's part of the reason Commons exists.
 * If this doesn't work well enough, then the best solution would probably be to split the last few generations into their own articles and leave the others be (at least until they've been expanded). --Sable232 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The pictures problems exists on more than this article. Wiki has a few users that just go around taking pictures of any car they see and uploading it to the article that fits.  I have a history or deleting images of Superduty commercial trucks with logos and all.  Not that I'm helping much, just trying to bring light to a odd-ball wiki problem.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What is an F477?
I've seen Super Duty trucks (from 1995 or so) that are labelled F477. What is this? And why when I run the VIN number does it show up as an F350?DNRosen400 00:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * what a very interesting question well I have an answer for you on as to why this f477 super duty models VIN number comes up as an F-350 you see back in 1995 the super duty was a verzion of the F-350 F-450 F-550 F-650 and F-750 models along with the lariat and limited editions. you see the F-350 used to be its very own model it wasnt until 1998 that the super duty became every model from F-250 to F-750 so really the vehicle you are looking at is a F-350 super duty editon not a later years Super duty F-350 model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Car guy207 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

making the world more car concious Car_guy207

Super Duty Trucks
I humbly suggest that there should be two separate articles, one for the F-150 and one for the Super-Duty trucks (F-250, F-350, F-450 & F-550). For all intensive purposes Ford Motor, themselves, makes a clear distinction between the two. The F-150 has more in common with the Expedition, than the Super-Duty models. This would serves two purposes, one it would shorten the length of the F-150 article, and, two, it would help to distinguish between two very different lines of vehicles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.84.142.80 (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2007
 * I would agree - seeing how there is a Ford Super Duty page already, shouldn't we remove all Super Duty information from this page? ---- Wraithfive (talk) 02:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Being a car guy I to somewhat agree with you but from 1960-1998 the ford F-250 and F-350 were indeed not the super duty trucks yet they were still an F series truck but alas in june of 1998 which in car years is technacly 1999 the Ford F-250 - F-850 models were dubbed as super duty which was one of the best selling editions of these vehicels the only one that didnt make this giant transition from looking the same as all of the other F series trucks was the F-150 which never hac a super duty model like the F-250 or F-350 models

from Car_guy207 trying to make the world car consious —Preceding unsigned comment added by Car guy207 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Trim Levels
I think it would be useful to add a section summarizing the various common trim levels of the trucks; i.e. key differences between the base model, to the XLT, to the Lariat and so forth. An exhaustive list of all the trims and all the options they have included over the years would be hard to compile, but a summary of the differences between the most common versions shouldn't be too hard for someone with the info. Lack Thereof 01:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, I have most of the info for the different trim levels for 1997-2003. If I didnt have all the information, I would be more than happy to look it up. I really think a trim levels section would greatly benefit any readers. Especially since there are key differences in the trim levels.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 01lariatcrew (talk • contribs) 22:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Rotterdam (Netherlands) Riot Squad uses F-350
I have seen the Rotterdam riot squad use F350's whenever there was a clash between the local soccerteam Feyenoord's supporters and visiting supporters. Typically they block of the streets with sea containers and then drive around in F350's trying to push the rivaling groups in different directions. 89.146.14.50 11:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Info on Sixth Generation image
One image on this page, is identified as a Image:73-77 Ford F-150 Explorer.jpg While this body style did exist exclusivley between 1973 and 1977, it's specifically a 1977 F-150 Explorer. The reasons for this are as follows;
 * F-Series pickups had two different grilles; 1973-1975, unframed grilles around the headlights, and in 1976 and 1977, the frames were back.
 * F-150's didn't come out until 1976.
 * Light-duty F-Series trucks didn't have the cowl insignia seen there until 1977.

Just thought that whoever posted this would like to know. DanTD 02:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Ford 6+6 trucks‎ is about an option for the 1984-1986 model years. It seems like it would be better placed as a section in Ford F-Series. Thoughts? Toddst1 (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose: This article is long enough already. DanTD (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced that that article is even factual. Seems like a figment of someone's imagination. I've never heard of a "6+6" package, and the article itself calls it a "nickname." --Sable232 (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It sounds like it would be better merged wiht the Ford Super Duty article instead of the F-series one, because it was a heavy duty package for these trucks. Sort of a predecessor to the Super Duty Line. Thunder215 (talk) 02:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support  Electrical  Experiment 23:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only thing in that article worth mentioning here was that it was a 300 I6 with a C6. I added a sentence here with the requisite "dubious" and "fact" tags. --Sable232 (talk) 22:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Split proposal
Seeing as how somebody decided to clutter up the page by listing out every single truck in the series (F-100 through 900), now is as good a time as ever to pare this down to just the F-100 through 450 (I know the 450, even in the early '90s, had the same appearance as the lighter trucks), and move the larger trucks into their own page, such as Ford F-Series (medium) or the like. It would make this article a little easier to keep under control. --Sable232 (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * What if it is just split into an article conatining the latest four generations, and another one created to put all the ones before it, like Ford F-Series (early models). That way it would be easier for people to find information about the editions, and probably have a link to the other article. Thunder215 (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Bringing this up again, I think the F-550 and up need to be formally split and removed from this page. The only real information on them here is the "Models" lists anyway. Since those trucks are generally distinct from the general pickup lines, I think it's best to not try and confuse things by placing them here. There's already Ford F-550 and Ford F-650 (the former being pretty much devoid of useful information). I'll fix this page now, and hopefully get around to at least having a stub made at Ford F-Series (medium) soon. (As an aside, this really isn't related to the length of this page at this point.) --Sable232 (talk) 06:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

A problem with formatting
The 3rd generation header discusses the 4th generation truck, and the 6th generation header goes straight to the 8th generation info. It looks like all the information is in there when I go to edit it. I just can't see where the error in formatting is. Marshall Stax (talk) 03:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

7th and 8th generations
What happened to the 7th and 8th generations?

Americanfreedom (talk) 03:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Horse Power
I helped to fix and fill in the missing the Horse power numbers on multible generations mainly from the 1967 to the 1996 area, My sorces were Lmc truck.com, Chilton's Repair manuals and oramagazine.com, I will continue to improve these as more info becomes avalible.

I also tweeked the 7.3L turbo Diesel intro year to 1993 as provided by Lmc truck.com vin codes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankeesfan245 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Chuy 352
This section has to be completely rewritten, but by someone with citations or some personal knowledge of the topic. That or it has to go. I could edit it to make it sound more professional but who knows if it's true? 72.201.71.67 (talk) 05:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

-- It sounds like complete garbage and conspiracy theory. JDS2005 (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

--I agree. There was no 352 Cleveland and many of the 302s that came in trucks were made in Mexico so the tariff threat is baseless. In addition, it would take more than factory parts to get a 352 to make that kind of power.

The whole thing reads like a conspiracy theory written by in the style of Robert Hamburger. It doesn't even make sense mechanically, a 5.8L naturally aspirated truck engine in 1965 that develops 450 stock horsepower is a fantasy...I'm just deleting it. JDS2005 (talk) 13:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

1953-1956 F-100
The second generation has the listings of assembly plants but leaves out one plant I know of for sure it is listed in the LMC trucks parts catalog it is the Dallas Texas assembly plant

Production start 	1953 Production end 	1956 Assembly

Dearborn, Michigan, USA Edison, New Jersey, USA Long Beach, California, USA Norfolk, Virginia, USA St. Paul, Minnesota, USA St. Louis, Missouri, USA São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil Hapeville, Georgia, USA Louisville, Kentucky, USA San Jose, California, USA Highland Park, Michigan, USA Body style(s) 	2-door pickup Engine(s) 	215 CID (3.5 L) I6 223 CID (3.7 L) Mileage Maker I6 239 CID (3.9 L) Flathead V8 239 CID (3.9 L) Y-block V8 272 CID (4.5 L) Y-block V8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.3.128.198 (talk) 08:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Weight capacity not listed
One of the more important things someone might want to know about any vehicle is it's cargo weight capacity. Pretty useful information if your looking up a truck... I don't see cargo capacity anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.167.114 (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Bigger thumbs in Galleries
I recently enlarged the thumbs in the galleries to 180px, which is the default size for images outside galleries. There's a glitch in the gallery software that sets the default to 100px, too small for legibility. See here for the new version with bigger thumbnails.

Another editor reverted, commenting "unnecessary and hurts readability". I disagree, and would also point out that the version reverted to is internally inconsistent: some galleries are set to 140px, and others for the default 100px. Current version is unsatisfactory, IB. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I reverted it in part because in a standard 1024px-wide browser window, the galleries hang off the edge of the screen and, worse, the gallery in the third-generation section overlapped the infobox, which is completely unacceptable. I don't think the images in galleries need to be that big (truthfully, I don't think we need the galleries here period); a reader would have to click on them if they wanted a decent look at them either way.


 * You may want to take a look at the "Too long?" section above as well.


 * I've posted this on the WikiProject Automobiles talk page to get project-wide input since you appear to be making this change on numerous car articles. --Sable232 (talk) 05:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've changed to to see how it looks. gallery uses bigger thumbs and is a lot smarter about how it places the images. It seems to be better across most browser widths. Some widths are still a little screwy but we can solve that too by shifting all the stray images into the galleries. Change it back if you don't like it.   Stepho   (talk) 08:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm happy with this change. I agree the article could use an overall cleanup, pruning and image-format work. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Medium-duty trucks (no space of their own)
Currently, aside from some distinction in the section for the first-generation models and the side-by-side photo comparison of the retired 1970s U-Haul trucks, there is no space dedicated to the F-Series above the F-350 aside from the B-Series school bus chassis, the C-Series cabover, the Mercury M-Series, and the article for the current Ford F-650. Ford's heavy trucks seem to be lumped together into the L-Series article.

While the situation for comparable Dodge models is the same, there are a number of dedicated articles for Chevrolet/GMC models and those from International Harvester/Navistar. As such, it would be appropriate to give the Ford medium-duty trucks their own article space, especially as they began to evolve separately from the pickup-truck line. They are also separate from the Ford Super Duty product line. At the length the F-Series article is currently reaching, I think adding medium-duty content to each generation would make this article novel-length. Therefore, the content should begin expansion from its own article; there is nothing wrong with adding a main article link back to here. SteveCof00 (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Exports
Will Ford export F-series trucks to global markets outside US? 120.141.215.170 (talk) 21:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)