Talk:Ford Freestyle

New Taurus X page
I made a new page just about the 2008 Taurus X. If anyone could add more on to it, it would be greatly appreciated. This article is no longer under the name Ford Taurus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PorscheRacer711 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Image
The image is not of a Ford Freestyle as it came to market.

It appears to be a concept drawing of what became the Ford Five Hundred, a related but different vehicle. Jeff Anonymous 13:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The first Freestyle image is a 2003 car show vehicle, that contained some design elements and hints at the final product (note the very similar front end). -- T-dot 21:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Designations and Categorizations
It is a big over-stretch to suggest that the Freestyle must be a "car" and the Edge a "truck" (suv), because of what letters the respective names begin with. While it is true that Ford's naming philosophy has been to name cars with "F" and SUVs with "E", the advent of the Crossover Utility Vehicle has largely blurred the distinctions and clouded that philosophy. The Edge is a car-based Crossover, and so is the Freestyle and the Escape. The definition of a Crossover SUV includes such design elements as a car-based FWD chassis with AWD capability, and a car-like unibody construction - while most trucks are body on frame RWD platforms with AWD or 4WD capability. With the launching of The Way Forward, Ford is revolutionizing many aspects of the business, and throwing away many "traditional approaches", so do not place too much emphasis on traditional naming conventions and expectations. Furthermore, if the claim is valid that the "F" name designation always implies a "car" and "E" implies a truck - then we have a serious problem with the F150 and other F-series pickup trucks, never mind the Ranger, Mustang, GT, Taurus, Crown Victoria, etc.

Things are changing rapidly and unexpectedly at Ford Motor Company - and the renaming of the Lincoln Aviator Crossover as the MKX and the Zephyr as the MKZ are just small examples of the jolts to come. The Five Hundred and Freestyle were intentionally designed to be very conservative looking (boring to many observers). This decision was based on the rather conservative look of the previous - yet highly successful - Camry and Accord. Ford did not want to present a wild, contemporary look (eg: Chrysler 300) for fear it would look "dated" after only a couple of years. That decision has largely backfired - and the Five Hundred and Freestyle are both under a rapid facelift redesign now - to bring them in closer to the jazzy chrome grille look of the new Fusion, Explorer, and Expedition.

Just wanted to explain why I significantly edited the previous User updates - to bring the article more in line with Ford's new direction. -- T-dot 21:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Second Generation Freestyle?
Could Ford's 2009 Fairlane CUV use the Freestyle name as the Freestyle moves to Oakville? -- Bull-Doser 18:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Merger Nom

 * Merge - not much info on either model, together they make a better article, and the Freestyle wasn't around long, Taurus X is a redesigned Freestyle. 74.204.40.46 (talk) 09:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - you could've just merged it yourself without discussion; I don't see how it could be controversial. The vehicles are basically the same. Cavenba (talk • contribs) 19:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
I would like to see this page expanded and set up like the original taurus page, with successor etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pautlorius (talk • contribs) 00:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I still think this should be merged with Ford Taurus. Karrmann 00:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There has been discussion on the Ford Taurus page to give the Taurus X its own article, simply becuase there is too much information on that article as it already is. PorscheRacer711


 * The comparison was Chevrolet Lumina to Chevrolet Lumina APV, which seems reasonable. The two are mechanically related but visually different and are in different markets. IFCAR 02:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So yes, I think this article should stay seeing that they are technically two different vehicles (the Taurus X is not a trim level of the Taurus).PorscheRacer711 20:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Thanks for getting this started. Besides, Ford Taurus is getting long already. --Sable232 21:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Revised a detailed version
I have created a new version (ie sandboxed, not official) of this page in my spare time and it includes: description and origins, naming history, design features, powertarin updates. This new page also features an updated eddie bauer Taurus X picture from the chicago auto show and a side view as well of a limited trim. It includes all of the information from the current page, but expanded, including timeline, categories, links etc. I spent some time on it. i would like some feedback. i would love to see this running. thanks. Pautlorius 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * By all means, put it up. Karrmann 00:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its up. :) Pautlorius 01:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Classification
At five meters long, the Taurus X is hardly mid-size... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.38.137 (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

move

 * I think we sould move it to Ford Taurus X/Ford Freestyle because will resent both cars.Hereford 19:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was requested that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at WP:RM did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for your time!Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 20:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I second that idea. This article should belong to Ford Freestyle because this is how originally the car was named. The Taurus X name came last minute upon its release at the cars show. Just for marketing purposes. Basically it was supposed to be the second (and last) generation of Freestyle for 2007 year. Shadiac (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This page SHOULD NOT be moved to Ford Freestyle becuase it could easily be confused with Ford Freestar; also, it wasn't called the Freestyle throughout both generations. —Reelcheeper (talk) 23:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Successor
The Flex is in no way the successor to the Taurus X. The Flex was designed specifically to be Ford's "people-mover" in lieu of a minivan and was intended as such long before the X turned out to be an epic sales failure. Ford already has a successor for this which is essentially the same vehicle, it should be obvious that IT is the replacement for this. --Sable232 (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strangely enough, Flex bears the same wagon body and shares many feats with Taurus X, whether it was unwanted or not. I agree that it might not have been designed as a successor, but we have to admit that it is, in some sort, a good replacement for Taurus X. On the same note, I don't see how it is proper to mention the new Explorer model all-while it won't be on the market for at least another year (they're busy with releasing the new Taurus sedan right now). Therefore it leaves the only currently available replacement of Taurus X to be the Flex, whether Ford wants it or not.Shadiac (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * However I do agree with you. I would like to debate on this topic before edit warring. Let's say 24 hours. Good luck.Shadiac (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the offending line in the Infobox. There is no obvious successor.  The Flex shares the same platform, but wasn't intended for the same audience.  The explorer isn't around.  Therefore no successor.  As there was no official (or unofficial) announcement of a definitive successor, any other speculation would be WP:OR -- KelleyCook (talk)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus for move. Aervanath (talk) 12:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ford Taurus X → Ford Freestyle &mdash; (see talk page) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadiac (talk • contribs) 17:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose The page has to be called one or the other (unless you consider the facelift and engine/transmission boost a whole new car deserving of a separate article). So it might as well be the later car name that it the page is already named. -- KelleyCook (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Number of passengers
Here is why I am keeping to my point. When you say "5 OR 7 passengers", I know what you mean. A back bench can go on or off and yada-yada. But! When this article is read, it sounds pretty much like it can either be 5 OR 7 passengers. But not 6. And if you put 6, it still sounds like sometimes there's this passenger number, and other times another. It's informal to me, see? Now when I say "5 TO 7", it initially means that there might be 5, 6 or 7 passengers. Even if I say "6 TO 7 passengers", it doesn't lose its uncertainity as per how many people can actually be seated in this car. Let me bring you up another example, as I might be unclear on this one. Let's say you call a company over the phone and ask them when the payment you just made will be recieved. If they say "Oh, it will take 5 OR 7 business days", will you think that it might actually take 6 days? I wouldn't. And if they say "It will take 5 TO 7 business days", it will be much more precise. See my point? Hope I am clear. Thanks, Shadiac (talk) 05:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What? There is no 5-passenger option for the Taurus X. It's available with either 6-passenger seating (buckets in the second row) or 7-passenger seating (bench in the 2nd row). There is no uncertainty. One car can seat a maximum of six, another can seat a maximum of 7. --Sable232 (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhmm... Isn't that a car in which you have this long back storage space where you can kinda pop out another two seats from the bottom? If not, then change away! Shadiac (talk) 17:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The car is available from the factory as a 6- or 7-passenger wagon. You can fold any seat down you want save for the driver's seat but it's still equipped to be one or the other. --Sable232 (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Rename Article
It was originally the Freestyle. Seeing as the Taurus X was just a rebranding for marketing purposes, without any significant changes, I believe it should be named back to Freestyle.Wikimann1234 (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Re-move article
There are a couple of points that justify moving this article back under the Ford Freestyle article name that need to be heard out...


 * While Ford Taurus (all seven generations of sedans) is indeed the best-known Ford nameplate (in this context), the Freestyle is the better-selling model of these two specific vehicles (Freestyle vs. Taurus X).
 * This page was moved roughly about the same time that Ford made the production announcement for the Taurus X, without any consensus ever reached.
 * In a similar context, Ford Five Hundred did not become Ford Taurus (fifth generation) in article space, nor did Mercury Montego become Mercury Sable.

In article space, it just seems that the precedent is that articles about things in series have the predecessor take precedent (to form the parent article).

Anyone have thoughts on this? --SteveCof00 (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)