Talk:Ford Madox Brown

Untitled
'He was not allowed membership because of his foreign birth.'??? Where did that come from? He was invited to join, but turned it down. Certainly, Hunt was never happy about the prospect of Brown's membership, as he considered his art too eccentic. But it was Brown who did not want to join a group. Anyway, I'm changing this. Paul Barlow
 * This was posted by User:194.117.133.118. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:30, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * It was posted by me. Paul B 14:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The Last of England
''This J D Wetherspoon pub is named after the much-travelled artist Ford Madox Brown, a one-time resident of Victoria Park, a suburb south of the pub. Two of his most famous paintings, 'Work' and 'The Last of England', can be seen in Manchester City Art Gallery.''

Surely The Last of England is in the Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery, as it says on the picture credit? I certainly saw it there recently! Should the last sentence be deleted? Tamino (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there's more than one version, but you are right, none of them is in Manchester and the complete version is in Birmingham. This seems to have been copied from the Wetherspoon pubs' website . Maybe they like to imagine it's down the road from their pub because Belloc quoted the title in his famous remark on pubs "When you have lost your inns, drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England." Paul B (talk) 15:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Gosh, I know this isn't the place, but doesn't the man in "The Last of England" look scarily like the actor James McAvoy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.17.6 (talk) 20:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Gosh, well since it's a self-portrait, perhaps James McAvoy is a reincarnation of Ford Madox Brown!!!! Paul B (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, perhaps. I know you're mocking me, must you must at least see the resemblance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.192.51 (talk) 11:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

What a condescending jerk this PaulB is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.191.243 (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Portrait
Perhaps we should switch the two portraits of FMB, and use the (new to Commons) Rossetti drawing in the info box? I'm not sure if there is a preference for self-portraits, however youthful. - PKM (talk) 03:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Work
The first two sentences in the fifth paragraph in the section Ford Madox Brown are as follows:


 * Brown's most important painting was Work (1852–1865), begun in Hampstead in 1852. Its completion was commissioned by Thomas Plint, but he died in 1861 before Brown completed the work. and which he showed at his retrospective exhibition in 1865.

These sentences need improvement, but before I make any changes, I'd like to be sure about something. The first sentence says "Brown's most important painting was Work..., begun in Hampstead in 1852." The second sentence begins, "Its completion was commissioned by Thomas Plint..." I really don't understand why these are spoken about separately. Does this mean that Thomas Plint only began encouraging and supporting the artist when the artist was half-way done with the painting? If so, that is unusual and should be explained. If not, and Thomas Plint asked Brown to paint this painting right from the beginning, then it should simply say, "Thomas Plint commissioned the work". ' ' Can you sort this out? CorinneSD (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, no no. What a bad gallery. It looks like he never ever painted anything but babies. Where is the rest of the works?? Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * He did not commission it. He paid for it to be completed (essentially advances in payment for the finished work). Paul B (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

This was it. This is a seriously bad gallery. Hafspajen (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Paul Barlow Thanks for the explanation, but I still think "Its completion was commissioned by..." is unclear and is a very unusual use of the verb "commissioned". If it is to be mentioned at all, I think clearer, simpler language such as you used would be better. Something like:


 * Thomas Plint advanced funds to enable Brown to complete the work, in anticipation of obtaining the finished painting, but died in 1861 before the painting had been completed. What do you think? CorinneSD (talk) 22:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Fine. Paul B (talk) 22:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Paul Barlow Paul, I made a few edits but now I see something is wrong with the reference but I don't know how to fix it. Can you help? CorinneSD (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done! Paul B (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Paul. Hafs, I know you'll be working on the gallery, but I just looked at it and I wonder why the images in the gallery are all so small. Even when I have my screen set at 150%, the images other than the babies are so small I can't see any details. I know I can always click on an image to enlarge it, but still, don't you think it would be nice to be able to see the painting even without clicking on the image? CorinneSD (talk) 23:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they are too small. Hafspajen (talk) 23:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

The Bromley family?
Changed the name above the family photographs. AnnaComnemna (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Correction, change made but the article did not change! AnnaComnemna (talk) 09:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no record of any edit to the article. I assume by "family photographs" you mean the drawings of Brown's family that have been mislabelled "Bromley" family. I've corrected it. Paul B (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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Additional sources
This entire journal issue is devoted to Brown — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Visual Culture in Britain, vol. 15, no. 3 (2014), URL access: subscription (to get more than abstracts).