Talk:Foreign relations of Turkey

Relations with the U.S.?
I was actually surprised that there was no section on Turkey's relations with the U.S. when that might be a significant part in the article. I assume that they'd be good since Turkey's a NATO ally...but isn't there more to go on than just that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.229.50 (talk) 20:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Major Bias
Very amateurish bias: "Turkey's stated view is that the Aegean Sea is a common sea and that no sovereignty rights should be claimed over the open seas and international airspaces in the Aegean Sea. However, the Greek insistence of viewing the whole of the Aegean as a Greek Sea and its incessant disregard of Turkish rights and interests complicate the solution of these disputes."

This nowhere near encyclopedic tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikoz78 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Just read this. It's seriously absurd, so I'm going to remove this bit of the Greece section. If someone can phrase their actual views and do it in a fair way, then feel free to do so. 68.227.169.133 (talk) 10:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely. Wikipedia is supposed to be bias-free. This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.223.130 (talk) 10:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Relations with Israel
States Turkey and Israel are "ethnically, culturally and linguistically" isolated in the Middle East. This is not true. Turkey may be ethnically and linguistically isolated, but still has many commonalities culturally. Israel is neither ethnically nor linguistically isolated in the Middle East, as Jews are Semites who speak a Semitic language. Culturally speaking, Israel is rather more Western than others, as a result of most of its population being essentially of European descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.166.117 (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Issues of POV
Southern Caucaus

Caucasus are important for Turkey as there is political, economic, social and cultural ties with the peoples of the region. Turkey develops policies in this region taking into account of strategic importance due to its energy resources and pipeline corridors. Turkey, recognized all three states of the region came out after the demise of the USSR.

Turkey was one of the first countries to recognize Armenia. Turkey recognized Armenian Republic before it was dissolved. '''However, territorial policies of Armenia have prevented the establishment of formal diplomatic relations. Also with the current Armenian social studies regarding their attitudes toward Turkey shows that the ethnic hatered is a barrier to normalize the relations. ''' Turkey shares a common language, culture and history with Azerbaijan. Turkey has been a staunch supporter of Azerbaijan in its efforts to consolidate its independence, preserve its territorial integrity and realize its economic potential arising from the rich natural resources of the Caspian Sea.

Turkey has close partnership relations with Georgia. Turkey approaches the Abkhazian and South Ossetian conflicts as a potential danger to peace and stability in the entire region. The resolution of these problems is essential for the preservation of stability in the whole region. Turkey has shown an readiness to be a negotiator for Abkhazian conflict.

Turkey approaches the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict using the Minsk Process and with the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. Turkey supported indirect bilateral talks between Azerbaijan and Armenia. With the aim of playing a facilitator role, Turkey initiated a trilateral process of dialogue (Reykjavik, 2002 & Istanbul Summit, 2004) among the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia.

''However, territorial policies of Armenia have prevented the establishment of formal diplomatic relations. Also with the current Armenian social studies regarding their attitudes toward Turkey shows that the ethnic hatered is a barrier to normalize the relations.''

POV

Turkey was one of the first countries to recognize Armenia.

That thing is not really true, Turkey recognized the borders of Armenia as a garanty that such borders will be delimitated, before even the Karabakh statue was decided. Turkeys delimitated Armenias bounderies as they wished as soon as they could to force other countries to then recognize Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, and this is confirmed by the fact that while the Republic of Armenia declared its independence before Azerbaijan, Turkey waited to then garanty Azerbaijans territorial bounderies.

Turkey supported indirect bilateral talks

Many will disagree by claiming that one of the obstacles of the talks is the fact that while international organizations ask Armenia and Azerbaijan to make concessions, Turkey is steping there supporting Azerbaijans no-concession policy, making dialogue impossible. So, this statment is just empty and an opinion.

With the aim of playing a facilitator role

POV

WWI Armenian issue

For more details on this topic, see Armenian Genocide.

Turkey's disputes with Armenia date back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, when friction between Turks and Armenians living in Ottoman territory led to deaths on both sides. The most infamous incident was during the First World War in 1915, when hundreds of thousands of Armenians were deported from eastern Anatolia, where Turkey was fighting Russia, to modern Syria and Iraq resulting in the deaths of many ethnic Armenians.

Armenia has since maintained that the Armenian Genocide was a deliberate and intentional attempt to exterminate Armenians. This view is supported by a majority of nations. The Ottoman government said the deportation was for security measures, claiming that many Armenians were siding with the enemy. Turkey has flatly denied there was a deliberate attempt to kill civilians and the issue remains highly controversial.

date back

That's simply a simplification and generalization.

when friction between Turks and Armenians living in Ottoman territory led to deaths on both sides.

Tygris massacres of 1967, costing the lives of thousands, those of 1894-1896, which have costed the lives of over a hundred thousand, or those of 1909, that costed the lives of over 20,000 can hardly be compared to Turkish deaths as to claim "deaths on both sides." One can hardly find a respected historian that will use such a term.

infamous incident

Such a term is not to be used in an encyclopedia, it is to give judgement to the event.

eastern Anatolia

Armenians were not only deported from Eastern Anatolia.

where Turkey was fighting Russia

Since Armenians were not deported only from Eastern Anatolia, this statment can not be attached with the whole area from where the Armenians were deported.

Armenia has since maintained

This is not accurate, the Armenian republic was still not independent when what happened to the Armenians was called a genocide. Hundreds of works have been published about the subject, before the republic has been founded, and nearly all the books published about the topic are published outside of Armenia. So claiming that Armenia has since maintained is simply not supported by the material published about the topic.

flatly

Not an encyclopedic word, gives judgement.

highly controversial

Politically perhaps, but given the disproprtion outside of Turkey, in publications supporting a thesis of genocide against those opposing it, the term highly controversial is not accurate. Maybe replacing it with "politicaly controversial" ?

Fadix 20:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, Turkey could not have recognized the Armenian republic before it was dissolved, since the republic of Turkey dod not exist when it was dissolved. Fadix 19:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed the following text under the Armenia portion of the Southern Caucusus topic: Also, with the results of current social studies originating from Armenia regarding the Armenian attitudes toward Turkey shows that the ethnic hatred is a barrier to normalizing the relations. To whoever wrote this: you need to provide links to these "current studies." --Geelok 00:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Grammar
This entire article is badly in need of a grammatical review. There are places in this article where the grammar is simply not there. An example is the fact that in section 1.3, the name of the region Caucasus is misspelled in the title, only to be correctly spelled thereafter. Also, there is a lack of concordance of number with the verb to be (many things is, one thing are etc.) all through the article. Hinakana 13:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Relations with syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurdistan_Workers_Party

claims Turkey almost went to war with Syria when the latter allowed Ocalan in their country. That might be relevant to the relations with Syria. However that article seems to be far from neutral.

What do you think?

Evilbu 22:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Dont judge the relations today to those times. It is true that war is about to begin if that terrorist wasn't sent to Greece. But relations now are calmer though the border issues (Syria claims hatay province) and water issues (Water of Euphrates) are frozen by Syrian side. Due to expansion of Israel and Iran through the region in the absence of Saddam Syria seeks a safe umrella. But Turkey(from ministry level) anounced strictly that Syria must establish democracy soon to have real good relations. In fact turkey and syria has the best relations till syria is free from de facto French rule.

Several possibilities of addition
Turkey also have ties to and policies towards Turcophone/Turkish speaking communities and countries. After their independence from USSR, the economic and cultural relationships have increased between Turkic Republics in Central Asia and Turkey. I think this issue can be explored in the article.

Turkey also have cultural relationships with Turkish speaking groups living in Balkans and East Europe (in places like Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Moldova). This can be a point of information.

The government help organization called "TİKA" - Turkish Cooperation and Development Agency - has activities towards these communities as well as African countries in need like Sudan or Ethiopia.

I also know there are Turkic Language Conferences organized for example.

This can be explored and added maybe? --Gokhan 15:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


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Move to Republic of Turkey. —Centrx→talk • 03:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Foreign relations of the Republic of Turkey → Foreign relations of Turkey … Rationale: Naming conventions (most common name), precedent with all other Foreign relations of X pages, etc. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 13:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support I see that Foreign relations of the Ottoman Empire does not yet exist, though. Septentrionalis 00:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
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This was listed at WP:RM, but had no discussion on this talk page, and the banner at the top was missing. As this is not the normal procedure, I will move it back to the top of the list at WP:RM, and allow another week for discussion. Thankyou. --liquidGhoul 10:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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Ben Gurion born in Turkey?
In the main article on David Ben Gurion, it states that he was born in Poland, yet here it states that he was born in Turkey. While the former is far more likely to be true, it's still possible he was born in Turkey. In any case, this contradiction between articles should be rectified. Loomis 18:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The top results  of a Google search all say that he was born in Poland. Koweja 00:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

POV pushing

 * Arsenic please stop POV pushing. VartanM (talk) 01:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Qatar
Where is the Qatar? Pls add this important country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.248.110.208 (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Zero-Problems Foreign Policy
I think the term "Zero-Problems Foreign Policy" (if you can call it a term) should be mentioned in the intro. It is more of a buzzword than Neo-Ottomanism is.--Aa2-2004 (talk) 11:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Turkey has problems with the legitimate Republic of Cyprus
Turkey made an invasion in 1974 on the island of Cyprus causing the destruction of its population, with the suffering of 200000 refugees, wounded people and 3000 being killed. Turkey even though is condemned by the whole of the world, notably by the United Nations, the United States Congress, EU,Security council still does not recognise the Republic of Cyprus. Republic of Cyprus is the legitimate power on the island which includes Greek- Turkish Cypriots, Armenians and Maronites. Turkey send 500000 immigrants from Turkey to change the demografics of the island and this shows the country's real intentions. As a result Turkish Cypriots have been dissilusioned by the protectorate they created which has been absolutely controlled by Tukrey with dozens of demonstrations against Turkish occupation and thousands of Turkish Cypriots crossing to South of Cyprus each day for work, education and to live. Plus Turkey if it acted as a guaranteed power would not have left 40000 soldiers in Cyprus to ""protect"" the Turkish Cypriots who now are abandoning them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Findblogging (talk • contribs) 12:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

If you tell others about your views or, you came reasons such as,in order to convince any matter,please front blog,newsgroups as well as other tools on the internet.Look at,WP:NOT, WP:NOTADVOCATE and WP:NPOV.This adjustment has nothing to do with me I'm Turkish citizen or Turkish Cypriot.Everyone has some political thoughts.For example, you accept as occupation military action of Cyprus in 1974.I also see it as a peace operation. But,I'm not in the effort to impose it in any way.To me, you are doing political propaganda here.Turkey officially doesn't recognize the Republic of Cyprus. Also,Turkey refers to the Republic of Cyprus government as "The Greek Cypriot Administration of South Cyprus".Republic of Turkey Ministry for European Union Affairs. --Maurice (talk) 15:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

No the propaganda is done by the way some users -including you- edit the article. If you are really a Turkish Cypriot and you really follow and care about Cypriot politics and history as such to make an unbias article you would know that in the Occupied side of Nicosia 60000 Turkish Cypriots before 5 months protested "Aise go home" meaning Turkey go home. You would know that Turkey has settled in Cyprus for good even though you call it "intervention"... it is an invasion and an occupation with Turkish army having military camps on the island and the embassy of Turkey acting like the goverment on the Occupied part. Read some newspapers, read some history books about Cyprus and then you can judge if I am making a "propaganda". Please do not revert what I am editing and justify with reasons if you do so.

To do/Links
Need some general overview without specific cases.

Also need to add the change in policy under AKP and the Arfab Spring.


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Armenian genocide denial and this article
Things claimed to be "irrelevant" to Turkey's foreign relations: The subject of this article also includes informal foreign relations that are not conducted at a bilateral level. Dictionary definition: "the relations between sovereign states : the manifest result of foreign policy"https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foreign%20relations
 * "Turkey has never recognized the Armenian Genocide, committed by the Ottoman Empire, and its efforts to enlist foreign countries in its denial effort date to the 1920s."
 * "Following the success of Franz Werfel's book The Forty Days of Musa Dagh (1933), Turkey prevented a private American company, MGM, from making a film adaptation by threatening boycotts."—If you actually checked, you would realize that the US State Department was involved in this incident.
 * "According to sociologist Levon Chorbajian, Turkey's "modus operandi  remains  consistent  throughout  and  seeks  maximalist  positions,  offers  no  compromise  though sometimes hints at it, and employs intimidation and threats".—Again if you checked this you would realize that many of his examples explicitly have to do with bilateral relations

Since you put "Armenian Genocide" in scare quotes I assume you don't believe it happened. Perhaps that's why you try to minimize its presence in this article? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Without a source the editor also changed "Turkey has never had any diplomatic relations with Armenia or Cyprus. Turkey formerly had diplomatic relations with Taiwan and Syria." to  "Despite being one of the first countries to recognize Armenia's indpendence, Turkey has never formally established diplomatic relations with Armenia. Turkey formerly had diplomatic relations with Cyprus, Taiwan and Syria." A quick Google would tell you that's incorrect: "Cyprus and Turkey have had no formal diplomatic relations since 1974." WP:V is crucial (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:38, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * RE: "Since you put "Armenian Genocide" in scare quotes I assume you don't believe it happened. Perhaps that's why you try to minimize its presence in this article?"


 * I don't understand why you have to personally attack me. What kind of an intellectual debate are you trying to engage in when you respond to another person in this way? I have never once attacked you personally, and limited the discussion to the dispute at hand.


 * Foreign policy vs. foreign relations: Usually when foreign policy is used, it has a focus. See for instance British foreign policy in the Middle East


 * "Again if you checked this you would realize that many of his examples explicitly have to do with bilateral relations" -> I merely commented that it is irrelevant as written. If you had included his "examples that explicitly have to do with bilateral relations," I would have removed my objections.


 * My point is that, you seem to say If you actually checked, you would realize that the US State Department was involved in this incident -> It doesn't actually say so in the section that you have written.


 * I don't quite understand how Wikipedia works, but when you use your administrative privileges to lord over new users, it does seem to have a chilling effect on discussion and collaboration. To me that's the most upsetting part of this whole discussion. Erman Kuzu (talk) 11:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually the source you cited says the same thing: Cyprus and Turkey had no relations since 1974. Cyprus existed since 1960.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erman Kuzu (talk • contribs) 12:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Any mention of any informal negotiations or diplomacy with the Republic of Cyprus?
Even though official relations ceased in 1976 and Turkey recognizes Northern Cyprus (I find it nonsensical that Turkey can't just recognize the Republic of Cyprus as a separate entity if it calls Nothern Cyprus "Northern", but that's besides the point), are there any unofficial diplomacy and negotiations, such as informal representatives meeting, protecting powers, etc.? These should be further described in the article so that there isn't an information vacuum about this subject.

Surely there isn't a total absence if there are

104.175.74.27 (talk) 05:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Turkey designating Republic of Cyprus as "The Greek Cypriot Administration of Southern Cyprus" instead of completely ignoring or being oblivious to the entity's existence, according to the Foreign relations of Cyprus article
 * Mentioned in the same article, Cyprus's willingness to negotiate with Turkey (over Northern Cyprus)
 * A free trade agreement, according to the Foreign relations of Turkey article
 * Third-party participants in negotiations such as the European Union
 * Attempts at multilateral agreements such as the Annan Plan.


 * Feel free to edit the article Chidgk1 (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)