Talk:Foreign relations of the European Union/Archive 1

Total mess
There is a total mess with the EU external relations topics. The knot is mostly between ENP-SAp-EU AA-Third Country relations-Enlargement. Below is a sketch of how should the topics be sub-groupped (from the current EU official point of view). Currently the knot of 5-6 articles is made of combination of topics of different logical groups. I will try to do some re-arrangements so that the knot is broken and the articles follow the order shown below. Also, please add to this architecture below another topics that I have missed - or rearange if there is such need...

Third country relationships with the European Union (proposed list below)
The European Union third country relationships are dealt with trough different legal instuments, institutions and departments. Topics related to the Community (first pillar) agenda are dealt trough the European Commission - they relate mostly to economic issues, aid, etc. Topics related with the Common Foreign and Security Policy (second pillar), as well as some particulare issues in the Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters (third pillar) agenda, are delat trough the European Council. Of course relations with some (most) states are in all these areas, so many of the EU policies listed below are jointly established by two ore more different EU departments.


 * Common Foreign and Security Policy
 * European Security and Defence Policy
 * Sudan - Dafur mission
 * DR Congo mission
 * Moldova border mission
 * Macedonia mission
 * Bosnia mission
 * Kosovo mission
 * Foreign relations of the European Union
 * European Union arms embargo on China
 * Belarus and the European Union
 * Myanmar and the European Union
 * Cuba and the European Union
 * European Community
 * Directorate-General_for_Trade_(European_Commission)
 * Third country economic relationships with the European Union
 * Overseas Countries and Territories (special member state territories) (jointly with multiple other departments)
 * Greenland and the European Union
 * European Economic Area
 * Norway and the European Union
 * Iceland and the European Union
 * Liechtenstein and the European Union
 * Switzerland and the European Union
 * Customs Unions with the European Union
 * European Union-Turkey Customs Union
 * Andorra and the European Union
 * San Marino and the European Union
 * Eurozone
 * Monaco and the European Union
 * Vatican City and the European Union
 * European Union Association Agreements (FTAs) (jointly with DG external relations)
 * Euro-Mediterranean free trade area (jointly with DG external relations)
 * Economic Partnership Agreements with the ACP countries (jointly with DG external relations)
 * Cape Verde and the European Union
 * European Common Aviation Area
 * Directorate-General_for_External_Relations_(European_Commission)
 * European Neighbourhood Policy (jointly with CFSP)
 * Barcelona Process (jointly with CFSP)
 * Morocco and the European Union
 * European Union-Russia Common Spaces (jointly with CFSP)
 * Armenia and the European Union
 * Georgia and the European Union
 * Moldova and the European Union
 * Ukraine and the European Union
 * Azerbaijan and the European Union
 * Northern Dimension (jointly with CFSP)
 * Directorate-General_for_Enlargement_(European_Commission)
 * Enlargement of the European Union (jointly with CFSP)
 * Bulgaria and the European Union
 * Croatia and the European Union
 * Republic of Macedonia and the European Union
 * Romania and the European Union
 * Turkey and the European Union
 * Stabilization and Association Process (jointly with CFSP)
 * Albania and the European Union
 * Bosnia and Herzegovina and the European Union
 * Montenegro and the European Union
 * Serbia and the European Union
 * Stabilization Tracking Mechanism for Kosovo
 * European Energy Community
 * Directorate-General_for_Development_(European_Commission)
 * ECHO_(European_Commission)
 * EuropeAid_Co-Operation_Office
 * No leading department identifyied - jointly Community and CFSP: Euro-American relations + Transatlantic relations + United States of America and the European Union + USA and the European Union <-- merge/redirects needed -->

Another quesion is where to put such list as this? I think that Third country relationships with the European Union and Foreign relations of the European Union are the primary candidates, but currently the content of no one of them complies with the "root" topic needed for such a list. I see now why the European Constitution was trying to streamline external relations (Foreign minister post, etc.) :). Maybe we should move content from Third country relationships with the European Union to Third country economic relationships with the European Union (or similar meaning) and then put this root list there, explain there the pillar structure and the hardship from its dual-track approach to external matters.

Alinor 23:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Alinor 09:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The EU as a "Country"?
The following sentence from the article seems to imply that the EU is itself a country...Perhaps there is a better word to use since China is a country but the EU is not. European leaders, like others, have been courting the PRC since its economic rise, however due to its authoritarian nature and the Union's concern for Human Rights, relations between the two COUNTRIES are often double edged --CommonSense101 22:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly what is a country? You can call Scotland or Britain a country for instance. If you are meaning just a sovereign state, see my argument which I am tired of repeating. But regardless, I'll rephrase it to a neutral term to keep people happy. -  J Logan t/c: 08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Benita Ferrero-Waldner with Viktor Yushchenko.jpg
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Image:EuropeanUnionDiplomaticRelations.png
This image is wrong because Greenland is not part of the EU. --Gaúcho 12:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Naming convention
We have a lot of pages like Ukraine and the European Union, the naming convention for such pages would be "Euro-Ukrainian relations". If no one objects I'm going to go and move the articles with these names. - J Logan t: 12:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I object -- I prefer the "and the" style. I think "Euro-Ukrainian" looks pretty horrible. — Nightstallion 14:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well "Ukrainian-European Union Relations" or something. It is the standard for all bilateral pages (e.g.Anglo-American relations) and it is in the guideline from WP:IR. - J Logan t: 17:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The important think is whether the term "euro-" is established in the same way that Austro, Franco and Anglo etc. is. I agree that "euro-" sounds somewhat cheap. ("Euro-swiss Relations" doesn't sound good) But at the same time it's 'classy' to have these things.


 * We should also take into consideration what to do with EU almost-candidate countries. Ukraine is a semi-potential candidate. There is a constant debate in Norway whether or not to join the EU. Should there be a naming difference between European neighbours and countries further away? In terms of geographic domination it's more legitimate for the EU to call itself "Europe" than for the US to call itself "America". (But USA=America is more established) We've got an article called "Brazilian-American relations". Ukraine is part of Europe, and "euro-" indicates "Europe". My point is that there's many paradoxes. - S. Solberg J. 20:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In regards to formal candidates and the SSA, we should stick with the current "Accession of" title, those outside such as Norway and Ukraine, I think we should use a normal convention as bilateral relations between a country next door and a country far away are still bilateral relations with no real expectation of enlargment any time soon. On Euro as Europe, well if we use a full "European Union" title to side step that but considering Europe doesn't have foreign relations I'm not sure how much that matters. - J Logan t: 15:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's a good idea to change this; I simply think European Union-Norway relations sounds *VERY* awkward, as do Euro-Norwegian relations or any other kind of formatting we could come up with. I consider the "Norway and the European Union" title a style of its own, and I see no added value in complying with style guides for articles on relations between countries for relations between a unique supranational organisation and countries -- see also China and the United Nations, Russia and the United Nations, ... for instance. — Nightstallion 21:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough then. But on the point of "European Union-Norway relations", it would be "Norwegian-European Union relations" and the UN examples indicate membership, rather than an external relations. - J Logan t: 12:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mh. I still think Norway and the European Union sounds more natural than Norwegian-European Union relations, don't you think? — Nightstallion 19:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Relations of the European Union
"Foreign relations of the European Union" should be renamed "External relations of the European Union" for the EU Externality and a new article started called "Internal relations of the European Union" for the EU Internality Mr Taz (talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree. Alinor (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject - Bilateral relations
There is now a upstart WikiProject to establish a concensus about WP's International bilateral relations articles, including "X-Y (country) relations" articles, at Centralized discussion/Bilateral international relations. Interested parties should add their names at WikiProject International relations/Bilateral relations task force if they wish to play a part in the discussions or have an Interest in this going forward. Thank you for your attention. CaribDigita (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

List of diplomatic missions maps
See this discussion. Alinor (talk) 15:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

New map
Please assist With the change to File:EU diplomatic missions.svg, the legend is broken. Please help me and fix it. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See diplomatic mission talk page.- J.Logan`t : 08:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Int.Orgs table
On page 23 of this article is a great summary of all the international organisations the EU and its members belong to (there are some other good tables in there too). However, there is some block text in that table so that would have to be rewritten due to copyright no?- J.Logan`t : 17:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Wrong maps
Please note, that some of the maps showing bilateral relations between the EU and a country are wrong. E. g. this file depicts the British Overseas Territories as a part of the Union - which they are not. Plus, territorial claims in Antarctica are not recognised by most countries.--Jack-ONeill55 (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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European Union - United Kingdom relations article
Can a article please be set up to show not only current bilateral relations between the European Union and the United Kingdom but for also when the UK leaves the EU in 2019, I know the UK has not left the block as of yet however a article should be started anyway being as perceptions of the EU are very different in the UK to that of other EU member states. Also such a article would help to show where the UK has opted out of various projects of the EU such as the Euro and etc. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC))