Talk:Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia

Ideas for development

 * I was thinking about fleshing this article out as follows:

Background
 * Pertinent information about the country, including why it needs so much foreign labour, economic conditions, what native Saudis do, and other general yet pertinent information

Skilled workers
 * About skilled labourers, where they work, etc.

Migrant workers About persons in lower class jobs, blue collars and maids etc. Include a subsection on human rights issues.

Any thoughts? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've added in a section on "Composition and numbers" to give an overview. Happy to go with the skilled v. migrant headings to see how it goes. An alternative would be to do it on the basis of the experience of national groups, such as: (1) South and east Asians; (2) other Arabs (3) westerners, with a separate section on Human Rights covering all of them (I think there may be some human rights points to cover in the skilled section). But, as I say, happy to go with current structure.
 * Once that's done, I think additionally two areas that can be added are: (A) impact on Saudi Society. Issues there include (i) lethargy - effect on the Saudi psyche on having others do the bulk of the country's economic activity; (ii) resentment - part in the rise of opposition to the regime, Islamism etc (iii) the government response i.e. Saudization, or the lack of it. (B) Impact on the home countries of the migrants, economic and political impact. DeCausa (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds very good. I'll try and give this some more work later today (focus on the oil industry, I guess) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to pop my head in and say you two are doing excellent work. The human rights situation (the only part I'm knowledgeable about) seems well covered, but I'll be glad to return later to do copyediting, etc. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Khazar! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * yes, thanks. Also, thanks to Crisco for the idea, and also getting it going. DeCausa (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're the one who deserves the thanks, for bringing more specialised knowledge about the subject. I'm not quite familiar with the Middle East (including Saudi Arabia) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Numbers
I've put in the section "Composition and numbers" a cut and paste of the numbers breakdown from the Saudi Arabia article. This is a reminder for future reference that:
 * there's quite a divergence in the sources on the numbers and there's probably a need for a survey + range for each country of origin rather than a fixed number.
 * the numbers are total non-nationals not just work-force (i.e. inclusive of family members). For many of the nationalities (migrant workers alone) they are one and the same, but for others they are not e.g I think total westerners are 100,000, but if you take out the families it is more like 40,000,

Both the above points means the numbers section needs adjustment (with citations) in due course. DeCausa (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Photographs
Nicely done, but really could use some photos of foreign workers!♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I know! Nothing on Commons though, and I'm certainly a ways away from the country. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

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