Talk:Foreman Thuridur

Rectifying some errors
Hi. Great you have done this page, but it contains several errors. If you email me directly, I will give you the correct information so you can correct it. Best, Margaret Willson Cascadepass2021 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, no one owns an article in Wikipedia; if you have noticed anything incorrect, then its perfectly allowed for you to correct it yourself (provided you have references for it of course). Happy editing! --Aciram (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's History.
 * While it is true that there is no ownership of content, as per WP:SELFCITE, When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion: propose the edit on the article's talk page and allow others to review it. That is what Cascadepass2021 would like to do here, & I think it would behoove us to heed this editor & incorporate any suitable edits. Peaceray (talk) 02:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What is(are) your proposed correction(s)? Peaceray (talk) 02:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested edits from Cascadepass2021's email to Peaceray
I received an email from Cascadepass2021 a couple of weeks ago. Cascadepass2021I is a novice editor but an experienced author & researcher. Cascadepass202 has asked me for help in including this & formatting it here. I have indented & formatted the text like this:

Plain text: my comments

Here goes.






 * Life






 * Memorial



Cascadepass2021 has suggested that we use the following citations:
 * There is also a 1893 version available online at
 * There is also a 1893 version available online at

Okay, that is it. Peaceray (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments and responses
I think the following changes are in order:
 * Change the name of the article and move it to Captain Thuridur & remove or substitute any mention of the word foreman. Wiktionary defines forman as:
 * 1. management The leader of a work crew.
 * A foreman is thus generic & does not refer to a ship, whereas, English Wiktionary defines captain as:
 * 2. The person lawfully in command of a ship or other vessel.
 * The captain is the last man to leave a sinking ship.
 * I apologize to native English speakers for this Captain Obvious explanation, but translators who do not natively speak the target language are sometmes unaware of the nuances. Witness some of my own attempts to translate from English to another language.

I also favor the changes that Cascadepass2021 has suggested providing we can verify them from the citations. Peaceray (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Change "fishing steerer" to "captain and helmsman" or "captain and helmswoman".
 * Change "fishingman" to "fisherman"
 * Change "bothy" to "hut". Bothy is a Scottish/Irish/Northumbrian word not common to English like hut.


 * I think it would be useful to draw on this introduction which is in English. I see no reason to change the title as the woman in question is known as Foreman Thurídur, although a word of explanation would be in order. Alternatively, the title of the article could be Thurídur Einarsdóttir. It would be good if someone could access the relevant chapter in English.--Ipigott (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If by the relevant chapter in English you mean the Willson 2016 book Seawomen of Iceland: Survival on the Edge, well, has claimed that authorship. Please see the first thread of this page &.


 * I am going to contact some of the users in Category:User is-N to see if they can help with this. While a couple of the editors on this page can communicate in Icelandic as a second language, I am oblivious, so it might be good to get some native speakers involved. Peaceray (talk) 05:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this clarification. I had not realized this all started with the item from Margaret Wilson / on the WP Women's History talk page. I think it would indeed be useful for  to add her suggestions in more detail on this page or simply communicate her reactions by email as she originally suggested. (She could, for example, write to me at my user name at yahoo dot com.) Ideally, she could provide access here to the relevant chapter/passages from her book. I'll now look more carefully at the article in Icelandic although it seems strange to me to have to work on an Icelandic version of information originally presented in English. Sooner or later, we should be able to sort this out.--Ipigott (talk) 07:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

So, I reviewed the whole proposed change to the article, checked the sources. I did in-line comments like the proposed change did above.

(Formaður is the head of an organization, foreman is not even close. Captain is not the same either.) She lived in the Árnesþing district in southern Iceland. She was the daughter of a fisherman.

She started rowing (agree with changing rowing to fishing) in the spring with her father at age 11 (until her father died when she was 14, yes), then in the spring and autumn with her father and her brother Bjarni. (lets use an change in role here, changed share is too complicated, agree with sentence change in next line) Finally, when 20, she became a fully competent seafarer, able to go out in winter too for Jón in Móhús. While working, with special permission from the local governor, she dressed as a man. (Unnecessary to put further emphasis on her clothes, lets just say she chose herself to wear them and the governor used an fake licence to get her to help with the Kambur crime case). During the years 1802 – 1847 she developed her seamanship, first during the spring and autumn season, then for the winter season as a foreman in Þorlákshöfn from 1816 – 1830. (she hired a man to work for her in 1816. Use Thorlakshofn, as per rules here. Stopped being a captain in 1840, yes, for 7 years, while working in a store.)(Delete the next line, yes, as it is not correct) As far as is documented, she was the first woman in Iceland to have the title of foreman of a fishing fleet. She was considered a cautious and careful captain who was popular among her crew. (Sure, remove the previous line.) She had a successful career and moved around along the south coast during her working life. She retired in 1856 and when she stopped working she was forced to accept monetary help from the parish.[2][3] (Agree with removing the last line, per neutral pov, also all Nordic countries are considered welfare states so this is not considered a big deal.)

She is also known for having assisted the authorities to identify the robbers of the infamous Kambur robbery in 1827.[4][5] (She did analyze clues yes.)(Agree with calling the "fishing bothy" a hut)--Snævar (talk) 13:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Revised version
I've worked quite a bit on the article, drawing mainly on various Icelandic sources. Please let me know if there are any inaccuracies.--Ipigott (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your work here! Peaceray (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It was a pleasure and really interesting. If ever you have problems with articles in Icelandic, Faroese or the other Scandinavian languages, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 18:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)