Talk:Fort Edmonton

Split Fort Edmonton Park into a Separate Article
I recommend a split of the material regarding the historical park known as Fort Edmonton Park from the Fort Edmonton article for the following reasons:


 * The Fort Edmonton article could deal specifically with the true Fort from history in a detail that would not be appropriate with an article about the Fort Edmonton Park attraction. The historical Fort Edmonton had a history spanning over 100 years; in time I would be happy to do some research and expand the Fort Edmonton article to reflect this, because it currently does not.


 * Fort Edmonton Park has a replica of the Fort, but not an original, which was built specifically for this attraction.


 * It would certainly be fair to mention the historical park in the Fort Edmonton article, but reference Fort Edmonton Park as a "Main Article" for more detail.


 * Fort Edmonton Park encompasses more history than just that of the Fort; the Fort is portrayed as merely the beginning of the city's settlement history, whereas the rest of the park displays the evolution of the settlement after the Fort. Many buildings in the rest of the park are originals which were built a generation after the original Fort was even in use.

I am preparing this replacement article in my sandbox

If there were approval for this split, the disambiguation would merely have to be changed so that Fort Edmonton Park no longer redirected to this page. Several articles which point here, with the intention of pointing to FEP, must be changed in this event, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpmullan (talk • contribs) 07:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles Split
Under influence from WP:BOLD I have taken it upon myself to split Fort Edmonton Park into a separate, main article. The former "Living Historical Park" section that was in this article is in my sandbox, and I'll salvage what I can from that and put it into the new article. Also...


 * The Attractions and Landmarks in Edmonton & Parks in Alberta templates have been updated to reflect the change.
 * The cartesian coordinates that had been at the top of this page, indicating the location of the Fort in the Park, has been moved to that article.
 * A hatnote now suggests visitors to this page might be looking for Fort Edmonton Park

In the very near future I'll put up a to-do list on this page for both myself and anyone else interested on what can be done to populate this article with the historical details of the real Fort Edmonton. RPM (talk) 03:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul
I have written a Fort Edmonton article in my sandbox from scratch, and applied as many relevant portions of the former version of this article as I could. You can now see the result. Areas for further expansion:


 * A relevant infobox
 * More info on Forts Edmonton Mk. I to IV:
 * - This may include info on explorations of the area by folks like Henday.


 * A new section with a chronological list of Chief Factors (and maybe Chief Traders)
 * More info on missionaries:
 * - Albert Lacombe - visited Fort Edmonton Mk. V at some point in the 1850s, stayed for a time.
 * - Thomas Woolsey - A Methodist follow-up to Robert Rundle in 1857.


 * A new subsection to "Remaining years" noting which people were the first to move outside of the Fort, start homes.
 * A new section on the transition from the HBC's Fort to the retail outlet in downtown Edmonton
 * A new section on notable dealings with the natives:
 * - I thought I had read somewhere that Fort Edmonton Mk. I had been burned down by the Blackfoot (I think) as the result of a trade deal gone wrong
 * - I have read about an 1828 incident where a band of independently-operating natives raided Fort Edmonton Mk. IV; a skirmish ensued.

So, if you work on one of these, feel free to strike it out from that list and please remember to sign it! Thank you! RPM (talk) 10:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Edmonton's name
According to Judge Frederick William Howay, in his 1929 book Builders of the West, published by Ryerson:

When John Peter Pruden came to Canada from Edmonton, England, he brought with him a name for the town which later became the capital of Alberta. Pruden was a clerk to George Sutherland of the Hudson's Bay Company, and when a fort was being built on the Saskatchewan in 1795, it was named Fort Edmonton. Fort Edmonton was destroyed in 1807, in l808 the fort was again rebuilt about twenty miles down the river where the city of Edmonton now stands.

Howay is a respected historian, and, I suggest, a better authority than the Real Estate News. The section on the naming of Fort Edmonton should be amended accordingly. 216.55.200.148 (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The above is contradicted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton#History "The fort's name was chosen by William Tomison" based on http://wayback.archive-it.org/2217/20101208175137/http://www.albertasource.ca/metis/eng/people_and_communities/historic_fort_edmonton.htm. The text of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Edmonton doesn't mention an origin in the text but includes a reference to Edmonton Local. "How Did Edmonton City Get Its Name?" http://edmontonlocal.ca/edmonton-101/how-did-edmonton-city-get-its-name which has "Some accounts also speak of how a William Tomison chose the site for the first outpost on the north bank of the river and named the town after a member of the Committee of HBC or the place where that committee-member resides.". Mcljlm (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * According to Fort de Prairies: The Story of Fort Edmonton by Brock Silversides (Heritage House Publishing, 2005) p.2 "It was named Edmonton House after the village of the same name that is now a suburb of London, England, but it is still uncertain as to why." https://books.google.co.il/books?id=ley-LL3RiIMC&pg=PA2&dq=%22It+was+named+Edmonton+House%22%22village%22%22same+name%22%22London,+England%22%22still+uncertain+as+to+why.+%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiylJjUoafpAhVECewKHaPDB20Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22It%20was%20named%20Edmonton%20House%22%22village%22%22same%20name%22%22London%2C%20England%22%22still%20uncertain%20as%20to%20why.%20%22&f=false Mcljlm (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)