Talk:Forte (vocal group)/Archive 1

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I agree that the article needs work. It reads in spots like something out of fan magazine, and I'm beginning to clean it up to make it sound more encyclopedic. I am also not sure that the individual members warrant the particularized attention that they now get in the article - if they are notable, then they can be wikilinked; and if they're not, then - well, other than a couple of biographical notes, not much more is warranted. Certainly not a listing of their individual undertakings. The article is about the group, and its activities; not its constituents. JohnInDC (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Please keep working on it. There are basic errors in English. Kdammers (talk) 09:12, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Updated
Whew! &mdash; ATinySliver &#47; ATalkPage 04:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Birthdates
It's virtually all primary sources on these except Panikkar's, which could be considered a SYNTH issue if one wanted to be technical. Still, I'm confident: September 17 is established by a news outlet, and other such outlets have mentioned his age (28 as of 2 May 2010, 30 as of 10 November 2011, and 31 as of 18 August 2013—an article that mentions his birthday the following month) without actually listing the year. This preponderance of evidence, in my opinion, invokes NOTSYNTH per both #SYNTH_is_not_a_policy and #SYNTH_is_not_just_any_synthesis (TL;DR: this data is not being used to reach a conclusion that the sources don't support). — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 02:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible hooks: DYK ...

 * ... that the original members of Forte Tenors met in person only two days before their audition for America's Got Talent, where they performed together on a stage for the first time ever? — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 01:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ... that Forte Tenors met in person only two days before their audition for America's Got Talent—their first performance together—then were required to audition again after the show's rules forced a personnel change? — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 08:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ... that Forte Tenors met in person only two days before their debut performance, for America's Got Talent; were required to audition again after a personnel change; and signed a record deal after their elimination during the show's finale? — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 09:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Using amended #2. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 00:50, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 11 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Forte (vocal group). There's been several weeks of discussion and everyone seems to agree a move is a good idea, but can't agree on the exact title. Moving to "Forte (vocal group)" because it got the most support. Jenks24 (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Forte Tenors → Forte (vocal group) – per discussion and research below. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 23:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC) Forte Tenors → Forte (vocal group) — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 21:14, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Within the GAN transcluded above, made a good point, reproduced here with my reply:

With this in mind, and in light of the research noted below, should the page: FWIW, there's no obvious precedent; I see no "named" tenor groups besides The Tenors, and FORTE is not a "(band)". Some individual tenors' pages are First Last (tenor), but I see several of those that are completely unnecessary (not common names). — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 00:24, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) remain at Forte Tenors;
 * 2) be moved to Forte (tenors);
 * 3) be moved to Forte (tenor group); or
 * 4) be moved to Forte (vocal group)?


 * What about Forte (group)? Eman 235 / talk  01:32, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That occurred to me, but seemed insufficiently descriptive ("Group of what?"). — ATinySliver / ATalkPage  &#128406; 01:45, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll !vote for option 3, Forte (tenor group). Sounds good to me. Eman 235 / talk  03:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd go with Forte (tenors), if they normally style themselves simply "Forte". On the other hand, depending on how many articles already link to the present title, it may be better to leave well enough alone.  But if you change the name, you should also change all the links. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTBROKEN, the redirect left behind would be sufficient, I think. Meantime, thank you for chiming in! — ATinySliver / ATalkPage  &#128406; 02:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I know this adds annother wrench to the mix, but I'd prefer Forte (tenor vocal group) to futureproof any further need for disambiguation (as redirects of redirects are the bane of wikignomes). My option makes it explicitly and abunduntantly clear that while Forte is the group's preferred identifier, the disambiguation makes it clear that it's a group of vocalists that sing in the tenor range. If the new option isn't available, my remainder rankings are as follows 3 then 1 then 2. Hasteur (talk) 00:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for checking in, I appreciate it. May I suggest that "tenor vocal group" is redundant, since "tenor" refers specifically to the vocal range? With that in mind, would Forte (tenor group) be your preference? — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 01:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Following a re-read of WP:NC, I've changed my preference and am also leaning toward Forte (tenor group). The issue is balancing precision with conciseness, which Forte (tenors) lacks—these are not people who just happen to be tenors, they comprise a singing group. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage &#128406; 20:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, nuts—a search of articles about singing groups would seem to suggest Forte (vocal group) would more closely adhere to convention. Finalizing request based on the search and the excellent comments above. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage  &#128406; 07:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (vocal group) sounds right. Eman 235 / talk  18:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


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