Talk:Foster Loyer

A10 Career free throw percentage
I see that Sports Reference uses a two-fold minimum of 300 FT and 2.5 FT per game per this list.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if it is 300 made or attempted.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Loyer's stats are 244–263 (92.78%) in 60 Davidson games and 298–323 (92.26%) in 146 NCAA games.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The A10 media guide top 10 includes people with as few as 158/184=85.9% career performances with only a 2.5 FT minimum.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Foster Loyer
I've tagged the last paragraph of the above section for violating our synthesizing policy. It's using statistics (or the omission of them) to reach conclusions that are not stated in the given sources. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , First off, thanks for your close attention to this subject. One always hopes that a DYK run will help get an article some extra attention. I appreciate the contribution of your time and attention. This section is attempting to summarize both a season and the conclusion of an NCAA basketball career.  However, two sources that we know are forthcoming are not available. The NCAA updates its recordbook every fall. The Atlantic ten updates its media guide every few years.  His career path makes it impossible to accurately present forthcoming content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the difficulties in writing a summary of a player's career so close to its end point, but if that's the case, we can't host the information until it's reliably published. This is a fundamental part of verifiability. From footnote B: "" Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually also awaiting Davidson annual updates. We have a Davidson Wildcats 2022–23 Fact Book lists Cochran and Curry as 1st and 2nd in career free throw shooting percentage (minimum 200 made) at 89.2% and 87.6%. I.e., we have a fact book that states that the best other players have those percentages of people who have made at least 200 free throws. We also have https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/foster-loyer-1.html, which shows he has a higher career (Davidson or NCAA) number than this which meets the minimum. Can we retain the content that states he is already the career leader without the 2023-24 Fact Book.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we can't combine sources to reach a conclusion that those sources haven't individually reached. Is there another/more complete NCAA statistics reference that gives individual career free throw shooting percentages? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The A-10 content in that final paragraph awaits a newer media guide than the 29=019-20 version, i guess.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * User:The ed17, Each publication is free to set its own standards for qualification for its own lists. Davidson University, The Atlantic 10 Conference and the NCAA can all have their own interpretation of what qualifies for career free throw percentage. It is unclear whether Davidson or the A-10 counts only years in the A-10 or all NCAA years. In the case of Davidson, Loyer qualifies both with his NCAA stats and his A-10 years stats as the all-time leader. For the A-10, it is not clear what qualifies and how the next edition will present. For the NCAA, it seems clearer that he does not qualify. It is likely that his next professional move (signing a contract for NBA summer league, Europe, assistant coaching) is likely to generate content that elucidates the issues. Maybe take this all to WP:CBBALL for further discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting this at WT:CBB—I think that answers the questions. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Relevance
, you questioned the relevance of the sentence about Dane Fife. Did you do a search for the name Fife in the article?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I did and remained unsure why this information is needed. 'His high school coach's son later coached him' is a bit distant and doesn't tell us much (unless that had some sort of special impact on Loyer). Instead, it's here presented out of context as the first sentence of a new section. If needed, it should be better integrated into the article's storyline and the connection explicitly noted. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , but he also broke the guys record. Further, it may explain why he ended up at Michigan State.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * To the first point, that's absolutely true, and the article already says that elsewhere. To the second point, we don't have a source that says that. Nor does this article use a source that lists both Fife the coach and Loyer the player together. (This just mention's Fife's positive COVID test.) Hence, unclear relevance! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)