Talk:Foster and Partners

It should be noted that some of the glass front buildings of Foster and Partners sometimes "loose" their windows ("honey, we just lost a window again"), examples are 30 St Mary Axe and Haus der Wirtschaftsförderung in Duisburg, Germany - that's something you don't want to happen when you're just walking around those buildings. --Abdull 21:58, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Well the article for 30 St Mary Axe already mentions its incident. Actually it is quite normal for new buildings, especially innovative ones, to have initial teathing problems. However it is usually more like a section of the roof that leaks &mdash; a window falling out has to be a bit of a concern.
 * It can be worse, in 1990 a window in the cockpit of a BAC 1-11 fell out at an altitude of 17,000 feet. The captain was partially sucked out of the plane and the First Officer had to make an emergency landing with one of the stewards holding on to the captain's legs (see for example this version of the story.) -- Solipsist 23:11, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image placement
What's with the freaky image placement in this article? Astronaut (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 December 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   20:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Foster and Partners → Foster + Partners – Current name (see their website). WikiArticleEditor (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:MOS-TM. The stylized version is read as "Foster and Partners" (not "Foster Plus Partners" or any other variant). The site you link is "www.fosterandpartners.com". Reliable sources are mixed but many use "and": The Guardian, The Telegraph, Norman Foster writing for CNN. Dekimasu よ! 18:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Unpronounced stylizations should not be in article titles. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:MOS-TM. and early close please. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


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December 2023 proposal of edits
Hello, Wikipedians. I have a conflict of interest as an employee of Foster + Partners. This proposal verifies existing information on the page with reliable sources, and removes that which could not be verified. It should address all issues in the warning box, so it can be removed. Thank you for your valuable time.

1. Please replace the first sentence of the lead paragraph:

Foster and Partners (stylized as Foster + Partners) is a British international architecture firm based in London, England, founded in 1967 by Sir Norman Foster.

Change to:

Foster and Partners (displayed as Foster + Partners) is a British international architecture and integrated design firm based in London, England, founded in 1967 by Lord Norman Foster.

Reason:

The version I’m suggesting is based on high quality, secondary sources and removes the word “stylized,” which reads as promotional. I’ve added a citation because while the information does appear in the body of the article, it cites a single primary source. I have also updated Foster’s title as he is a member of Britain’s House of Lords.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

2. Please replace the second sentence in the lead paragraph:

Foster and Partners has designed many iconic buildings and structures around the world, including the Gherkin in London, the 1990s renovation of the Reichstag in Berlin, the Hearst Tower in New York City, the Hong Kong International Airport, and the Millau Viaduct in France.

Replace with:

Foster and Partners has designed buildings and structures including the Gherkin in London, the Hearst Tower in New York City, the 1990s renovation of the Reichstag in Berlin, the Millau Viaduct in France, and the Hong Kong International Airport.

Reason:

The version I’m suggesting removes promotional language like “iconic” and adds citations using prominent secondary sources. It also pares down the list of projects to avoid excessive detail.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

3. Please replace the first sentence of the second paragraph in the lead section:

In addition to architectural design, Foster and Partners is also involved in urban planning, interior design, industrial design, and graphics.

Replace with:

In addition to architectural design, the firm’s practice encompasses engineering and design.

Reason:

The version I’m suggesting pares down the list of the firm’s disciplines to areas that are supported by reliable secondary press sources, as well as adds necessary citations.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

4. Please replace the second sentence in the second paragraph of the lead section:

The firm employs over 1,400 staff, including architects, engineers, designers, and project managers, and has completed projects in more than 75 countries around the world.

Replace with:

As of 2021, the firm had approximately 1,500 employees, located in offices in multiple cities, including New York, Hong Kong, and Madrid.

Reason:

The existing sentence was out of date. The sentence I’ve suggested uses a reliable secondary source to cite the most recently available employment statistics as well as up-to-date examples of international offices. I couldn’t find a source explicitly stating the number of projects/countries that information was cut to avoid original research. The original sentence contains no citations, so I have added one.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

5. Please replace the third sentence of the second paragraph in the lead section:

The firm has won numerous awards for its work, including more than 620 awards and citations for excellence in design.

Replace with:

The firm has won the Pritzker Architecture Prize and the Stirling Prize.

Reason:

The existing version does not specify any specific awards that the firm has won. The new version here resolves that and provides good sourcing to justify the mentions of those specific awards.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

6. Please replace the first sentence of the first paragraph in the history section:

Established by Norman Foster as Foster Associates in 1967 shortly after leaving Team 4, the firm was renamed Sir Norman Foster and Partners Ltd in 1992 and shortened to Foster + Partners Ltd in 1999 to reflect the influence of the other lead architects.

Change to:

The firm was established by Norman Foster in 1967 shortly after leaving his first studio, Team 4. The firm was originally called Foster Associates before the name was changed to Foster & Partners in 1999.

Reason:

The existing version cites a primary source that does not support all of the claims made in the sentence like “in 1992 and shortened to Foster + Partners Ltd in 1999 to reflect the influence of the other lead architects.” The version I’ve suggested salvages verifiable information using prominent sources, and deletes unverifiable original research.
 * ✅ except I removed shortly, which is unsupported, and changed "&" to "+" to match the source. STEM info  (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

7. Please remove the following tags from the warning box on the top of the article:

This article needs additional citations for verification. (August 2023) This article possibly contains original research. (August 2023) This article includes a list of general references, but it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. (August 2023)

Reason:

The changes proposed above address the issues those tags are calling attention to by adding additional citations (including inline citations), and removing original research. These labels within the box are no longer required once the other changes I’ve suggested have been made.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. StaffordJasper (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)