Talk:Founding Fathers of the United States

Discussion at WT:MOSCAPS § Founding Fathers of the United States
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MOS § Founding Fathers of the United States. &#x0020;Pretty surprised to see that this page wasn't notified of this discussion, which has been going on for a while now. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * As am I. Surprised about a discussion going on far from the subject and those closest to it. Thanks for pointing this out and for posting the notification.
 * I only learned about the MOS issue because I was pinged, possibly because I was seen as a potential ally for one of the sides. Based on a comment I made several archives back that was misunderstood.
 * Oddly enough,, a significant contributor here, came upon the MOS issue by a different sort of happenstance. Only to be barraged for a spirited though innocent comment. Allreet (talk) 09:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * may already have determined the conversations result (occurring here) by once again providing pivotal and detailed research, this time showing how the major scholars of the American Revolution case FF. May I suggest that he copy the major points of his research to this page as well, for the record and archives and to make it available for expansion and completness. Very impressive work, especially when presented in one place as Allreet has done. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If this is true, that would be considered WP:CANVASSing and inappropriate.
 * Unnecessary. There's now a link to the WT:MOS discussion here.
 * InfiniteNexus (talk) 07:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * All major research about academia use of the terms and concept of this pages' topic, such as undertook for that informal discussion (the discussion cannot, on its own and as far as I know, change the title of this page, for that an official RM on this page would be needed), should be listed in one place with possibly a talk page hatnote to "research". This talk page archive contains many such examples, and links to other pages which evolved from this page can also be listed in a central location, possibly a subpage to this article. That's the reasoning, to have a centralized access point to pertinent research such as Allreet has again provided. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you're overthinking this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Academic research includes Wikipedia, and like all good research, centralized collections would give as full information as possible in easily accessed and known locations. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Add person to infobox
Gouverneur Morris, who according to his article was a founding father. BhamBoi (talk) 07:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Capitalization discussion
. Re:the discussion to capitalize. The Manual of Style/Capital letters debate, which began on Feb.5, has not had any further comments made since Feb.26 -- more than two weeks ago. Was just wondering why it was taking so long to close. Not sure if WP:RFCEND, per item 5, would apply here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Since this was a talk page discussion and not an rfc, I don't think we need a formal close. Most "dissenters" on FF capped have agreed the discussion has run its course and are willing to accept the status quo based on the rough consensus. It'd be good to keep an eye on the page to see if aome new commenters weigh in but that seems unlikely given the thoughts at the end. In short, let's let sleeping dogs lie. Allreet (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, now that you mention it, there is not one discussion on that MOS page that was 'closed' like an RfC is closed. It's not an article Talk page, but it seems it's a Talk page with just a discussion nonetheless. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion attempt at Templates for discussion/Log/2024 March 12
This attempt to delete Signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence may be of interest to editors of this page. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Templates for discussion/Log/2024 April 3
This discussion affects this page and may be of interest to topic editors. It concerns the navbox Historical American Documents. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Please proofread article. Connecticut is misspelled in one sentence. Gcooster13 (talk) 02:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Silas Deane removed as additional founder based on prevailing view
I noticed Deane was one of the few Additional Founders without a citation. So I did a cursory search and found only two websites that referred to him as such: a blog post on the National Constitution Center website and Founder of the Day. I believe this is insufficient for Deane's inclusion and out of step with the general criteria we apply to others. As I see it, a significant number of supportive sources would be required to countermand the substantial reluctance of other reliable sources.

Based on this, I've temporarily removed (remmed out) Deane from the list. What say others? Allreet (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I did a cursory search for sources that label Deane as a founding father and found the following additional sources:
 * https://www.google.com/books/edition/Houses_of_the_Founding_Fathers/3Y8xVb5QXIwC?hl=en&gbpv=1
 * https://historycollection.com/scandals-the-us-founding-fathers-tried-to-keep-secret/
 * https://connecticuthistory.org/site-lines-silas-deane/
 * https://www.wethersfieldhistory.org/articles/the-undoing-of-silas-deane/
 * https://www.nypl.org/blog/2015/12/21/silas-deane-reading-parenting-america
 * https://www.jstor.org/stable/324202
 * Hope this helps with any discussion. Dbroer (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)