Talk:Four Symbols

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Media References
This list is so long, it should be on an article on his own imo. Ninja neko 12:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Lots of inaccuracies
Apologies to whoever made the article, but there are a lot of inaccuracies in it. I can't correct it all in one sitting, so I'll be spending time in the days to come in correcting the information. Most glaring mistake is to equate the vermilion bird of the south with the phoenix. Contrary to what a lot of people think, the two are definitely not the same. --- Hong Qi Gong 04:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. The Chinese translation of the Vermillion Bird of the South is closer towards meaning peacock. --- yeokaiwei 04:46,15 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe one of the BIGGEST inaccuracy is that the symbols uses Japanese name when we're talking about Four Symbols (China). I will edit this to the more appropriate names. This happens in the one of the warring states (china) article as well, where it linked to the Sengoku period. --Ropedcough (talk) 09:33, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

5 Elements
Since there is the point that each of the four Ssu Ling are associated with the 5 elements, it would be worth mentioning Huáng-lóng (黃龍, Ouryuu[?] in Japan), the Yellow Dragon, or sometimes the Kirin or Qí-lín (麒麟), associated with earth, the center direction, and balance in general. (see Five_elements_(Chinese_philosophy))

-- 70.131.153.199 07:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

5 Seasons
I've been told that the fifth element corresponds with the transition of the seasons, the transitional season (occurs four times a year). Makes more sense from the perspective of central to wind directions.

Pitchshifter (talk) 07:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Conflicting literature
This article misses out the Golden Dragon of the Centre, Huang long. Not only that, but some literature contradicts this. Those that talk about the Yellow Dragon, almost invariably put the Tortoise to the north and the Dragon to the east. Wolf ODonnell 18:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I guess I must have misread the Compass Point directions associated to each Heavenly Creature. They appear to be the correct now. Wolf ODonnell 19:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I feel like this article should be merged with the indiviual articles for the Four Symbols. They are all rather short, and don't really need their own articles, just redirects. I added a template suggesting the merge. Helikophis (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with this. Saves people like me four tabs. -69.218.234.182 (talk) 07:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose This sounds like a good idea, but the four articles are quite long and contain lots of other information that wouldn't really fit into this article without a substantial re-write. You could just include short paragraphs instead, then link off to the separate articles with a {main} or {seealso} link.  David Bailey (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Five Symbols in Digimon
Shouldn't there be something in this article about the five Digimon that correspond to the Five Symbols?

Quinglongmon is the "Azure Dragon of the East", matching the name, "Quing Long".

Zhuqiaomon is the "Vermilion Bird of the South", closely matching the name, "Zhū Què".

Baihumon is the "White Tiger of the West", matching the name, "Bái Hǔ".

Xuanwumon is the "Black Tortoise of the North", matching the name, "Xuán Wǔ".

And, lastly, Huanglongmon is the "Yellow Dragon of the Center", matching the name, "Huang Long".

24.124.88.11 (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Four Heavenly Kings
Is not there some conflation or association with the Buddhist concept of the Four Heavenly Kings? -69.218.234.182 (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Symbols
Symbol does not seem like a great translation of 象. I do not see English "symbol" in any of the references either. --JWB (talk) 22:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

This article needs the following improvements: 1. It needs additional citations for verification. Tagged since March 2012. 2. It may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor Prime (talk • contribs) 03:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

This article needs the following improvements: 1. It needs additional citations for verification. Tagged since March 2012. 2. It may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling.Emperor Prime (talk) 03:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 December 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 06:56, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Four Symbols (China) → Four Symbols – Clear primary topic in Four Symbols. Esiymbro (talk) 12:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.  SITH   (talk)   22:27, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. While Led Zeppelin IV has sometimes been referred to as "Four Symbols" this usage is relatively rare.  Delete the DAB page and use a hatnote (which I just added) per WP:TWODABS.  —  AjaxSmack  03:36, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The title of a page should suggest to the general reader what it is about. "Four symbols", even if used in an academic clique to refer exclusively to the Chinese NESW animals, is otherwise so general as to be meaningless. For example, asked to guess what "four symbols" refers to, I think vastly more readers might think of +-×÷, and probably many others, before a collection of Chinese mythical animals. (Actually they really are Chinese mythical animals, each of which symbolises something, not symbols in the ordinary sense.) There is another problem here: this set, and variants thereof, is known across the Sinosphere. As far as I can see, WP has this article, and a separate (very stubby) article on the Vietnamese variant. There is apparently no article on the Japanese version; the ja:WP article ja:四神 is linked to this one, though the Japanese names are not even mentioned here. (They are known as 四神, lit. "four gods"; there are other minor differences.) I think one of the weaknesses of WP is the tendency to split everything up into tiny articles which totally fail to present the important connections and commonalities which allow one to grasp what's going on. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:53, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This argument, while interesting, is about the substance of the article, and has little or nothing to do with the move request. Narky Blert (talk) 11:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. Led Zep IV has all sorts of names, and this is only one of them. It's a relatively unlikely search term for the album, which could be dealt with in a hatnote. Narky Blert (talk) 10:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. If the move is made, the DAB page should be deleted per WP:TWODABS (Primary topic with only one other topic). Narky Blert (talk) 11:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be be moved over the DAB page. But the redirect would need deleting, of course. 92.249.211.146 (talk) 02:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support quashing the dab altogether, per Narky Blert. Clear primary topic by historical importance in a WP:TWODABS situation. bd2412  T 23:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. "Four Symbols" as an alternative naem for Led Zeppelin IV is not very clearly called out, for example it is not in the article's lede, and is not mentioned in the description at the DAB. |Four_Symbols_(China)|Four_Symbols_(disambiguation) Pageview stats show the China article gets about 400 hits a day, the DAB four, and the redirect none. Clearly WP:PTOPIC. 92.249.211.146 (talk) 03:02, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


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I Ching and Four Times
I suggest that the I Ching related material be removed from the table on the Five Phases and detailed in the section on the I Ching, making room to add the Four Times to the table rather than describing them in text in the next section. Skyerise (talk) 12:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)