Talk:Four species

Hebrew of Arba Minim:
I changed an edit from Arbaat Haminim back to arba minim. I never heard of the arba minim being called arbaat haminim.Yossiea 15:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

"be not bold in editing...."
I did not Italic textadd a paragraph on lefty customs and changed the some to most, with regards to how the species are held together. Does Chabad have the same custom of lefty-swapping? "In addition, lefties have differing customs regarding holding the four species together. An Ashkenazi lefty holds his lulav in his left hand. However, the setting of the haddasim and aravot is the same as everyone else, which is that the haddasim go on the right of the lulav (as you hold the lulav with its spine facing you). The Sephardic custom is that even a lefty holds the lulav in the right hand." Yossiea 20:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Articles on the individual species/merge
The lulav article is a mess and stub. I went over it and it still is. It talks more about the four collective species rather than the lulav itself. The etrog article is a stub, and needs to be wikified (it has public domain work but it should still be our own). Hadass and aravah don't exist (the latter isn't on the branches but a place in Israel). My idea is to merge all four into this article, place redirects at the Hebrew names, and simply have a link at the secular pages (palm, myrtle, willow, and citron) to this page. I have two potential problems:Etrog is also a nickname used for the Canadian Film Awards in the 1970's. This line appears above the main etrog article. Perhaps there should be a disambiguation page there. And then there's Arabah, a place in Israel, with Aravah redirecting to it. However, I think we can make this work. Erique rosen rocks HereToHelp 18:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, Etrog has wandered its way into the collective consciousness in a way that makes it more visible than the Four species. They should both be articles Mjchonoles 05:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Since there isn't much to talk about the Four Species individually, I agree that most of the information should be put into the Four Species article. I went ahead and expanded that article along those lines. However, I agree with Mjchonoles that the different species should have their own (short) article. In the case of the etrog, there is already something to say about what a citron tree is. Therefore I rewrote the articles on lulav, hadass, and aravah as short but pithy explanations, and directed the reader to more information in the Four Species article. I also made a disambiguation link for Aravah. Does this solve the problem? Yoninah 22:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes it does! The articles are all visably linked to each other. I also put in links in the artcle (not the see also) of the secular terms, and to those articles from this one. The only complaint is that this article did not mention the date palm; now it does. Thanks! HereToHelp 18:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The Lulav in the picture is not reversed
The aravah should be on the left side, next to the etrog. Is a more accurate picture available? Yoninah 22:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Not only that, put the etrog is missing the pitom! Not to mention the aravah is in poor shape, and a sukkah background would be more appropriate. Let's get a new picture, fast! HereToHelp 18:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The pitom is not such a big deal - the etrog is still kosher. In Israel (unlike america) pitom-less etrogim are perfered.  Jon513 13:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not reversed, it's upside down. Use your imagination. That said, this would only have relevance if someone were actually holding it, not when it's lying on a table. Moreover, someone should probably let this guy know he's doing it wrong. Tomertalk 20:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If he's a lefty, he's doing it the right way. Yossiea (talk) 20:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless, the caption is assinine. I'm removing it.  Tomertalk  20:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, correct me if I'm wrong about Ashkenazi practice, but I understood that a lefty would hold the ethrogh in his right hand, no? Tomertalk  04:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This guy also appears to be confused. Tomertalk  04:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

"In old Jewish Eastern European communities ... substantial travel in order to purchase the Four Species."
Were the species formerly available at all in northern places? Was there enough trade in medieval times to make them available even around the Baltic Sea, in England and northern Germany etc.? What if they couldn't be acquired, or only some of the four could be had? -- 77.7.149.205 (talk) 23:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Page move per WP:CAPS
Sources written in standard English (i.e. that don't randomly overcapitalize) don't appear to capitalize this either. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved, as there was no opposition to the proposal. Number  5  7  12:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Four Species → Four species – per WP:CAPS as The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: This requires an analysis of whether this constitutes a proper name as a doctrinal matter like Annunciation (of Gabriel to Mary) in mainstream Christian doctrine (vs.  annunciation, i.e. announcement, of something generally), or simply a term for a religious object like altar wine.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:53, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination and nominator's oservation above that sources do not generally treat this as a proper noun: . Ground Zero | t 01:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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Four species
This section of lede is not correct. The four species (Hebrew: ארבעת המינים‎ arba'at ha-minim, also called arba'a minim) are four plants mentioned in the Torah (Leviticus 23:40) as being relevant to Sukkot.[1] The attribution of the title four species is Rabbinic, see Encyclopedia Judaica v 19, pg 302. It is Rabbinic authority that gave the four plants (whose names are not given in the Hebrew Bible) the title the four species. I would like to re word this along the lines of The four species (Hebrew: ארבעת המינים‎ arba'at ha-minim, also called arba'a minim) is the Rabbinic name for four plants mentioned in the Torah (Leviticus 23:40) as being relevant to Sukkot.[1] Any comments? Theredheifer (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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"the four species"
Never mind, I just read the article. IrishLas (talk) 12:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)