Talk:Fourth Era of Northern Domination

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This article may have been written in strong sense of pro-Vietnamese independence from Chinese domination. It should be revised to remove emotional tone and add balanced point of view. Tttrung 14:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This article is pretty lame...162.83.204.67 05:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The attitudes to history are just created by today's government and people, and it's obviously not objective. Suppose if south part of Vietnam get independent and become a new nation called Sitnam hundreds of years later, Sitnam would be likely to claim that Vietnam suppressed them, the same to the way Vietnam claims China suppressed them. -Zangqiangren (talk) 03:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC) But cannot this be reasonable? Historic documents pointing to key dates, names and places of key rebellions, not to mention relics dedicated to key figures during the period suggest one side is deluded (e.g Vietnam)? Rebellions and war would not exist without supression or dictatorship. Of course political adversaries think differently but to assume there's no legitimacy is an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.168.8 (talkc) 12:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Who's the idiot who used "Nanyue", an unrelated country, in this article? --79.67.193.118 (talk) 02:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Basically, Viet and Han are the same people of the Asian ethnicity with common believes, such as, religions, traditions, customs, with similar language and the same surnames and might of have the same ancestors. But with different views of running the government, foolish Asian for thousands of years killed each other off for dominance like two brothers from one womb. The stronger one picking on the weaker one; forcing rebellion. When the weaker one wins, the stronger one gets humiliated and starts spreading rumors and tries to regain control of the weaker one so that the stronger one can be "great" if not the "favored one". Hence the saying "Two tigers cannot share one jungle", "Two brothers cannot share one wife." Histories agree with this notion. For example, North Korea and South Korea, North Vietnam and South Vietnam,  West Germany and East Germany,  Khmer Rouge, United State and Britain, The American Civil War and so on. When there is suppression or dictatorship there is rebellion. War will follow.

Thanks for share your naive vision of the world with us. --Hoygan!! (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, stop claiming common ancestry! Austronesian people were pushed back to today's situation. --94.217.102.91 (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

no source
only one source is cited, and it's really biased; no historical nor archaeological evidence to support those claims. Things like "Forbidden City was built in Vietnamese style" has no evidence at all, I only once saw this claim on Youtube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.158.154 (talk) 01:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Conduct of the Ming army
Yongle Emperor tells his officers not to kill innocents after succesfully invading Vietnam, even the young men from rebel families.

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1078?hl=%22Jiao-zhi%22

05:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Support for the Ming
Most Vietnamese supported Ming rule, it was the semi barbarian "Trai" or "camp" people who supported Le Loi's rebellion

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA186&dq=trai+people&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sr5JUtDqGJHi9gTsyYGoAg&ved=0CEgQ6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=trai%20people&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA191&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA210#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA177#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA182#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA191#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA186#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-01JisWpJbEC&pg=PA377&dq=A+history+of+the+vietnamese+muong+trai&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3stUUtmBHKjk4AO-4oCoAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=A%20history%20of%20the%20vietnamese%20muong%20trai&f=false

23:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC)