Talk:Fox McCloud/Archive 1

There needs to be a picture.
Right now, the page has no image of Fox. I dislike the idea of this page always having to show the latest version of Fox. Brawl hasn't even been released yet, and we're already trying to post a pic from the game? I believe this page is intended to inform about the character, not the games the character is in. A pic of Fox from SF Adventures would do fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YamahaFreak (talk • contribs) 01:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The Picture used was his art from Command, but it was deleted. Using the Brawl art is out of the question, so feel free to upload and use an Assault picture. Dengarde ► Complaints 02:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

New Picture?
Maybe the promotional picture from should be used instead of the current one as it is higher in detail and is the most updated look for fox--MunchableSandwich 13:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you and am going to do the new image right now. but i will edit out the background. Blumonkeyboy 23:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Opinion
Star Fox is AMAZING! Krystal needs to prove her worth to be good enough for the conquering hero of the Lylat System!

Krystal is already cool! --Fox Mccloud 18:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Got that right how old is Krystal and Fox in StarFox Command any way? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.154.153 (talk • contribs).

F-Zero GX paintjob
I got a better look at the emblems in F-Zero GX. Is it really Fox McCloud? To me, the emblems look like caricatures of the F-Zero pilots, which would make the character Leon, not Fox McCloud. The resemblance is striking though =) --Wwwwolf 11:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fox McCloud's Voice = SFX 64
I'm very certain it was Mike West who did Fox's voice. I first read this article and saw Charles M. listed. To make double sure, this weekend, I beat the game. Charles M. is not even listed in the credits at all. I do know several sites list Charles for Fox's voice, but this seems to be a snowball-effect mistake. I can assure you, that Fox's voice is not by Charles M. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.71.73.254 (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Yeah, it is Mike West who does his voice. Thunderbrand 04:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Fox McCloud in Super Smash Bros. Melee
In the section of this article regarding Fox' appearance in Super Smash Bros. Melee, it was said that Fox is considered to be a bottom-tier character by the game community. However, in every SSBM tier I have seen, Fox is listed in the highest two tiers, so I corrected that. - DraugenCP
 * It was probably some vandalism. Thunderbrand 18:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I changed one sentence to note that Samus, not Fox, has the most abusable glitches in the game, but I guess this is opinion only. Samus certainly has more, that give her more abilities, but Fox's might be more abusable. Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajphctp46 (talk • contribs).
 * Thats opinion. If you consider wave-dashing or shine spiking a glitch, then fox would have MORE, but Mewtwo is usually considered to have the most glitches. (Not abusive, but then neither samus or fox have abusive glitches anyways)Dolace Triade 13:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Fox McCloud's Nose
"Back in Feb, Nintendo did the unthinkable and changed the character’s nose from black to brown" -Source:http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/star-fox/a-star-fox-nose-by-any-other-color-170571.php

Main image
I think that the image of Fox at the top of the page should be changed, preferably to an image of Fox in Adventures. His look was drastically altered in Assault, and I think it would be better to post an image that shows Fox as he looks in most of the series. (for continuity reasons) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by YamahaFreak (talk • contribs).
 * Actually, I think the policy about images is that the most current available one is supposed to be shown at the top. So, his look from Command should actually be there. I don't think that you are supposed to change them just because it suits your taste. Thunderbrand 16:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not just MY taste, I was thinking of people who access this entry to learn about the character or series who have never really looked into it before. Just so they don't get the idea that Fox looks like that in every game in the franchise. He looks even more different in Command than he does here, so...you get the idea. Remember, these are just opinions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.165.78.11 (talk • contribs).
 * So why the Adventures outfit? It's only been featured in one game, like his Assault costume.  If anything, it gives people LESS of an idea of what Fox looks like because it does not look like something out of science fiction.  I suggest either putting up a picture of Fox's official art from the original or his Command look, since Fox's outfits haven't deviated much from the ones shown in those games. Xubelox 07:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The policy is to use images in a way that is informative to the reader and in a way that is in line with the fair use policy. The Command outfit is a throwback to the 64 version and is thus inappropriate and redundant to the purpose of depicting a different appearance in an informative manner. I've replaced the Assault version as appropriate.-ZeroTalk 14:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've also uploaded over that image with a cropped, edited version. -ZeroTalk 14:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that as a thumb rule, you can't modify the "content" of the image, like cropping (see a counterexample at the Fair use page. You can resize an image down or reduce its quality, but not enhance it as it may violate the second and third policy points. Cropping a part of the promotional image may invalidate Fair use usage. I would revert back to the full image, even if it has comments made by the copyright owner. -- ReyBrujo 17:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware of the fair use policy. The content was not modified. The image was resized and redundant text was removed to make it suitible for encyclopedia inclusion and the infobox format. Did you look at the image in question..? -ZeroTalk 01:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the old image had some words above it, while this one doesn't have it. That means the words were either deleted, or the image was cropped so that the words were left outside. That classifies as modified, at least for me. Note that the About section of the source site from where that image was picked states: But I will say this: I did not remove a watermark from a single piece of artwork or screenshot I have taken from somewhere else.  Which is what, apparently, you just did. -- ReyBrujo 01:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a watermark. It said "Fox McCloud" "Team STARFOX leader". That wasn't necessary. That's still fair use.-ZeroTalk 01:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not write that disclaimer, so I he was referring to that as "watermark" as well. People is getting touchy with images, especially after articles have been forced to drop their images due either copyright complains or they did not fulfill all fair use requirements. At least, fix the source so that it points to the correct place, and specify that you have modified it removing those words. -- ReyBrujo 01:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. -ZeroTalk 10:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I edited the image today, to suit the most recent SSBB image. Blumonkeyboy 03:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Fox's name
Does anyone else think it's important enough to note that Fox's name is not "Star Fox" or "Starfox"? This mistake is very common on gaming boards, and mentioning it here might help.

EDIT: Looks like one of the bad guys calls him "Star Fox" in Command, but Fox still refers to his team as Team Star Fox. Anyone else have something to say on this? --HongrelLongrelMongrelDongrel 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing really to say on it. Thunderbrand 16:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. I guess it's just a minor thing at best, anyway. HongrelLongrelMongrelDongrel 17:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Revert
I reverted because 199.126.137.209 removed his appearance in the Weekend competition. -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 14:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

What? User:Karrmann says that his nickname is Starfox. Not true. Revert? -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 21:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, you don't need to report every single thing you revert. Second, Super Weekend is NOT a separate game.  It is just an altered version of the original game.  Instead of removing it entirely, I put it as Star Fox/Star Fox: Super Weekend (Scrolling shooter, 1993, SNES).  We don't need to know the exact date this took place, especially when it isn't even made clear what the "super weekend" is in the article. 199.126.137.209 01:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, way to bite the newcomers. Second of all, I was just making sure it was okay to revert, in case there was a discrepancy. -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 00:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I'm gonna try and clean this article up a bit, and model it after the Solid Snake page or other CVG character ones that are GA class. There's way too much information here, and the story stuff I just removed is pretty much what's at the Assault page. And all the Command endings don't need to be mentioned since most of them are non-canon. Thunderbrand 00:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Smash Bros. Section
Well, I found a lot of things I disagreed with in the Smash Bros. section. First was the mention of the tactic of throwing the enemy down and then Shining them is not a very commonly used tactic because it is relatively easy to get out of. A much more common tactic is simply throwing them off the stage with a forward or back throw, and then running/jumping out behind them off the stage and shining them before they are able to recover, with plenty of ability to recover themselves considering him still potentially having his second jump and having his very good Fox Fire recovery. Second, Fox is not considered light, but quite the opposite. He, along with Falco, is considered a heavy character, and thusly being categorized into the section of characters known as "Fast-Fallers." In addition to being a fast-faller though, Fox and Falco have a somewhat different and unique way of falling and/or flying away after being hit compared to other fast-fallers such as Captain Falcon, which added their inclusion into the group "Space Animals;" this term refers only to Fox and Falco, but it is deemed worthy of being coined as terminology because it is often used when noting how easily combo-able both Fox and Falco are despite their innumerable strengths. That said, it leads me into my third gripe with that section, and that being that he is NOT easily KO'd/"sent" at low percentages. Fox's tolerance to damage and being sent is very high; it's not that Fox is easily KO'd at low percentages, but that due to his categorization as a space animal and a fast-faller, he is likely to be combo'd very aggressively by a large number of characters causing them to either deal damage to Fox and Falco very quickly or deliver a fatal blow extremely quickly (causing them to die at a low percentage). I am posting this here to simply fuel discussion as well as see what all of your thoughts were on this subject as far as editing this section on the main page. Thank you. AnujSuper9 09:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm concerned about the competitive focus of this section. Any info about Fox's top-level strategies should be both sourced and understandable to non-players (avoiding the catchphrases of the community, outlining Fox's strengths only in general terms).  And it should not be to the disclusion of non-competitive facts about the game, such as the nature of Fox's attacks (hand-to-hand, with martial arts-style kicks?) and aspects of his character that are obvious to anybody, like his speed. MaskedSheik 19:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Fox is the fifth lightest character in the game out of 25. So yea, Fox is considered light. The character's weight dosen't have anything to do with how fast they fall, but the distance they fly when they are hit.  Some characters just fall faster than others.

Fox's enemies
There! I added it, but it looks like there is more to say about his enemies, so can you guys edit it a little?


 * Wolf O'Donnell didn't return to his 64 version in Command. He is concerned about redeeming his team moreso than becoming "a generic thug".

Romance
Fara probably isn't a canon character (coinserning that she was only in the comics and not in the games). It's Krystal and Fox that's the 2nd real pairing (Falco and Katt, remember?). I mean, she's hot, he's a hero, and it's obvious they both love each other. Why not? I hope the true ending of Command ( I heard they were going to make another game with a true ending) will be something like the ones with them making up and going out for another adventure. Not like the two that shows Krystal leaving Fox. That's just wrong. Son of Jadoja 23:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to comment on this whole "cannon" issue with Fara. You're right she isn't canon in the current timeline of Starfox that began in SF64. But some evidences lead me to believe she might have really been part of the Starfox snes's "canon". Those comics were drawn and written by Benimaru Itoh, who is an illustrator working for Nintendo.  That guy worked on earthbound, super smash brothers and a few other things that were developed by first party  Nintendo developers. He even got interviewed in Nintendo power, along with Shiegru Miyamoto and Takaya Imamura, at an E3 booth playing starfox 64 against each others. He also worked on the Starfox strategy guide "Mission File Printout", which more or less is like Starfox snes's bible, even including a section with developer bios and comments. Parts of Itoh's Nintendo power comic strips were used for that strategy guide, including some newly drawn art made by Itoh himself. Moreover, that strategy guide really sticks to the story from the Nintendo power comics. And most importantly, the "Mission File Printout" wasn't released by some unrelated book company, it was made by Ape(Now called Creature), a Second party game developer working for Nintendo. What does this prove? It prove that there is a recurring trend, in Nintendo's publications, of accepting the comics's storyline as the starfox SNES storyline.  Since Starfox is not the work of one man but of an entire company, Nintendo in this case, and that both Nintendo power and Ape are owned or working for Nintendo based on their instructions, and even the comics author, Benimaru Itoh works for Nintendo, those comics are pretty much canon, or at least fits the definition of canon since the "Author" is "the" Nintendo company where Miyamoto, and the other devs Works. And it should be noted that Fara made a brief appearance in of of the leaked starfox2 snes beta, in the form of character art, and as a playable pilot. Of course, since Starfox 64 the whole Starfox SNES timeline is non-canon, including the story from those comics. Psy commando (talk) 03:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fox Symbol
Could someone Please put a link to the photo of Sta Fox's Symbol on Brawl? Mr.Mario 192 18:30, 29 June 2007

New Trivia Maybe?
I just thought it would be interesting to put that Fox and crew are one of the few Nintendo protagonists that aren't silent. Just a thought. Okoa 69.47.17.61 06:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Part of Project Dogs?
Should this article really be part of WikiProject dogs? Wolfie the Marshmallow 15:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought that was strange as well--he's not even a dog, is he? Ragaxus 15:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He's not a dog... this makes no sense at all. Revolutionaryluddite 01:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the "dogs" marker. Revolutionaryluddite 01:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject dogs is somewhat misnamed. It covers all animals of the family Canidae inculding all foxes. I readded the marker. Revolutionaryluddite 01:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Main Image.......... AGAIN!
I think that we should the most recent image fox (that would be SSBB's image) but can somone help because I dont know how to do it. Solidsonic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solidsonic (talk • contribs) 02:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:FoxMcCloud.jpg
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Source for Fox's voice actor in Brawl?
From the videos I've seen, it sounds like his voice is reused from Melee. Does anyone have a source saying his voice actor for Brawl is his Assault voice actor? Takuthehedgehog (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

His Japanese voice actor for Brawl is the same one used in Starfox Assault. He actually sounds quite a bit like Sonic's Japanese voice actor. I saw a video of those two fighting each other and sometimes confused one for the other! It appears Fox won't get an English voice actor for the US/European versions as the US trailer shows that Fox is using the same voices. His taunts and win poses will probably be changed. In any event, Fox's voices in Brawl are all new and not reused from Melee in any way. 72.81.128.2 (talk) 23:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Smash Bros Image
Dengarde claims that the Smash Bros image can't be used because the entire Video Games Wikiproject has decided against using non-canon images. It would be nice to have a link to this discussion. Canon is a fannish and in-universe concept which should have no bearing on article images.-- Nydas (Talk) 09:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Th discussion is here, though honestly I remember it being a little more decisive. And yes, Canon is an in-universe concept, but it's far from fannish. This article is about Fox McCloud in the Starfox series. As such, the main image used in the Infobox should be the most canon portrayal of the character, not his design as a cameo in another game. If you wish to use his Brawl image, I have no objection to using it in the section "Super Smash Bros. series. For the Infobox, find an image from Command. Oh, and my apologies if I don't reply to you next message. I'm moving on Saturday and won't have internet for a while. Dengarde ► Complaints 03:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Canon is pretty close to fannish in this case. The games have branching storylines, one is a remake, there are obscure comics with even more different storylines and Nintendo have not made any indication that there exists an official 'canon'.-- Nydas (Talk) 22:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the latest official design. The Brawl design was made by the Brawl team, not the Star Fox team. There was no reason to change in the first place. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Lack of cites
Deleted all the garbage about SNES being a parallel universe. No citation for it.129.139.1.75 (talk) 16:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Starfox isn't a Fox, He's a Red Panda
This is evident by his jaw and eye area, and the fact it is an Asian game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 00:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a citation for this? The statement saying he is a fox on the page does not either. I'm going to remove that sentence until we know for sure which one he is using a reliable source, so we don't mislead anyone. Triforces (talk) 19:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're grasping at straws. Rukario -sama   ^ㅈ^ -(...)  03:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. If there isn't anything validating either fact, the information shouldn't be stated until we know for sure. Triforces (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Second Picture
The second picture states that it is how he appears in "Super Smash Bros for the DS3D and the WiiU." There are multiple Super Smash Bros games (melee, brawl, etc), should we specify which one for those who are not as aware of which one is on which consoles? Triforces (talk) 19:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Zero VA
I don't want to make the edit myself because I'm not sure how you all would feel about it on the reliable source front, but voice actor Joe Zieja just went public today with the news that he voiced Fox in the SF Zero animated short. The article says Mike West did the voice, but I assume that was an assumption since the short didn't include any VAs in its credits to identify people with. 206.136.32.227 (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)