Talk:Foy E. Wallace

Accuracy
It appears many of the sources listed contradict each other. Even the published sources seem to deviate from reality (ex: DEH's book lists 1969 as FEW's year of death, but the online photo of his tombstone shows 1979). I'll be looking into as many primary sources as I can, but assistance and advice would be appreciated. Jdb1972 01:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Foy E. Wallace, Jr., died on 18 December 1979. His death is mentioned in almost every religious journal connected with Churches of Christ. A special issue of the Gospel Advocate (March 6, 1980) was completely devoted to his memory as was a special issue of the Christian Journal. (Gardntr (talk) 13:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC))

Stub?
While the "factual dispute" tag seems to be in order, the "stub" would no longer seem to be appropriate. (I belive the latter date of death to be the correct one, but since "I beleive" isn't proof of anything, I will leave all editing on this alone until when/if I discover verifiable facts.) Rlquall 20:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Until it's a finished article (which it's not even close to being yet), I think leaving the stub in is appropriate. Unfortunately, I haven't had time the past week or so to do much digging for sources beyond reading his rather truncated entry in The Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell Movement. Jdb1972 02:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Additional coment
There's a lot of format work needed to the article, also. Much of the part about "the institutional debate" seems to have been lifted from the non-institutional C of C article, as well; I feel that it would be better just put a link to redirect readers to the perteinent portion of thatr article rather than just parrot it here verbatim. As I said, I'm leaving it alone altogether for now. Rlquall 21:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the Institutional Debate itself deserve its own page, not under a denominational heading? I'm not sure it deserves this much space in a bio page, but it is important enough to deserve a lengthy treatment.Josh a brewer 05:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

FEW & Race
I have added a section on FEW's position on race. It is well recognized today and many conclusions and comparisons are drawn from it. I listed the major ones. It maybe hard to under-represent how important it is. I think the Lipscomb vs. FEW conflict almost perfectly represents the good vs. evil within the CoC on issues where they differed, but I'm keeping the POV statements here on the talk page. Since no one had posted on this before, those interested might read up on it before doing too much editing of this section. Carltonh 22:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you and added a link to David Lipscomb's main entry so that people can go there for themselves. I also edited this section, leaving the meaning intact, because I agree with it as it stands. Wallace devastated the doctrinal triumphs of Lipscomb. Please feel free to correct any problems I have created.Josh a brewer 05:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hrm. Question about this phrase: "To some, even Wallace's later position on institutions also represent accommodation..." Which later position was that? After all, he started out non-institutional and only turned to the institutional POV after he couldn't get along with other NI leaders. I'm not sure I understand what's intended since he actually had later and then later still positions. Jdb1972 17:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Institutional Debate
You first cite Jack H. Kirby in an article written 40 years after the alleged comments by G. C. Brewer: "In 1938, brother G.C. Brewer, at the Abilene Christian College Lectures, made a statement that the church that did not have ACC in its budget had the wrong preacher." THEN, you cite H.E. Phillips, who says something quite different: "Brewer suggested that if all churches in Texas would contribute to the support of the school, such requests from individuals would be unnecessary. Some who were present understood Brewer to say that churches who did not have Abilene Christian College in their budget had the wrong preacher. Brewer took the position that it was scriptural for churches to support the college." That's a big difference. Either Brewer said what the article now claims that he said, or people "understood Brewer to say" that those preachers were "wrong." One is hearsay. The other is fact. Right now, the documentation contradicts itself. Sort this out. As I've suggested above, this should be its own article. Josh a brewer 07:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * He "was reported to have said." It's pretty clear and straitforward. (Let me guess: You're a relative?) Regardless, though, the entire section needs to be shortened and written more about Wallace and less about institutionalism itself. Jdb1972 12:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Your latest edits seem more fair, no longer framing Brewer as the prime mover in a denominational split but rather as one among many mainstream voices calling for the same thing: church support of colleges. The main wikipedia entry on the Non-Institutional churches of Christ needs to reflect this same change.  Hearsay is not clear and straightforward, as I demonstrated above.  Many people of good character can, in good faith, hear completely different things at a lecture, and unless we find a transcript of Brewer's speech, we'd better leave it as vague as the evidence warrants. I'm not sure that the last paragraph of this section--as it now stands--deals with Wallace.Josh a brewer 14:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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