Talk:Frédéric Prinz von Anhalt/Archive 1

Weasel wording
The last paragraph exemplifies this. "He appears to be treating her........,etc. Where is the source for this opinion? T.E. Goodwin 00:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks to our German colleague Tilman for removing the weasel wording. T.E. Goodwin 05:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith's baby daddy?
Is the last sentence, "Alexander Denk, a former bodyguard for Anna Nicole Smith, has reportedly told the tabloid television program "Extra" that he had an affair with his former employer, and that it's possible he could be Dannielynn's father.[16]" relevant? Why list him, but not other potential fathers? I say delete this. Tebucky 16 February 2007 (UTC)

There's an AP report being broadcast on live TV that he claims it's possible he's the father of the late Anna Nicole Smith's infant daughter. If there are good online news sources in the next little while, they may be worth citing in this article. JFHJr (㊟) 18:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The current text regarding Anna Nicole Smith is copied verbatim from the AP article; must be revised.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070210/ap_on_re_us/anna_nicole_smith_prince;_ylt=AkOQFKyna2ebvjOQQkffpEcDW7oF Eastend 14:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Age?
how old was he that he could be adopted in 1980 but marry zsa zsa gabor? 67.172.61.222 01:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Frédéric is in his 70s. Individuals can be adopted as adults. There are many reasons why this may be done (inheritance, etc). Even in the United States it is done. Charles 03:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship
No proof he is U. S. citizen, so I rv. If proof is provided it can be restored.Gyrorock 14:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Gabor marriage
The article states at the top that he is Gabor's ninth husband. Later in the body it states he is the eighth. Hm? Rklawton 16:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What is later stated is that the marriage to v. Anhalt is legally her eighth. The marriage to Felipe de Alba was annulled, which means that a ruling was made that no real marriage had occurred.  I would certainly agree that there ought to be some clarification here, and I will make it. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 14:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Categories
I've removed the prince's related categories as, according to the text, he is not a prince at all. --79.151.218.253 (talk) 10:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate?
This edit by an IP changed his birthdate from 1945 to 1930. This source (Toytown Germany) says he was born circa 1933. This source (The Local) says he was 66 as of 4 Feb 10, which makes his birth year either 1944 or 1945. Can anyone offer clarification? Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 15:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirects
many of the "funny" redirects to this page should be deleted probably. -Koppapa (talk) 20:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

"Von Ahole"?
TMZ refers to this man by the name "Prince Von Ahole" - is that a legitimate alternate version of his name (though it looks funny it might be legitimate, just like the multiple spellings of Khaddafi) or is it a rather negative nickname? The fact a major media source uses it (and like it or not TMZ is considered one as CNN and other major media use it as a source) makes it notable and probably worth acknowledging in the article. A redirect (probably considered one of the "funny" ones referenced in the above post) already comes here. Obviously BLP is a major factor, but at the same time it's a verifiable fact that TMZ uses the name. A google search suggests "Von Ahole" seems to be exclusively used by TMZ - or by sites mirroring its articles. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 14:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Surname
That his official full surname is "Prinz von Anhalt" does not mean that this is the surname used, any more than we would have to call Otto Graf Lambsdorff "Graf Lambsdorff" on all occurrences. I'd suggest we call him "Anhalt". john k 23:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I think an issue such as this leads to confusion as to the validity of the "title". Lambsdorff, as far as I am aware, would legitimately be a count so the treatment there is different. Charles 00:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Who are we to say whether someone is "legitimately" a count? This guy's surname is "Prinz von Anhalt."  Lambsdorff's surname is "Graf Lambsdorff."  It's not our job to determine that one is a real count, and the other a fake prince, at least so far as how we name them. john k 05:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We aren't, because it has already been established for us. Come on, John, don't play that game. You know exactly that on one hand, Lambsdorff is the member of a former noble family whereas Prinz von Anhalt is not an agnate of any princely, ducal or noble family. Charles 06:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why that should determine what name we call someone by. I am strongly of the opinion  that we should call people what they want to be called. john k 09:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We are using his legal surname. He wants to be called "Prince". Should we call him that?

Charles 17:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Since 1917 German titles and nobilities no longer exist as legal entity. They are simply regarded as part of family names. However, many german nobles continues to style thems as nobles. The practise is accept and observed by courtesy in Germany and in other courts. When Frederick was adopted under german law he gained the legal surname 'Prinz von Anhalt'. Whether or not he can call himself a prince is moot piont because technically no german citizen can legally call by a title as nobility titles don't exist in German law. They all use merely as matter of courtesy.

Firstly, its 1919, not 1917. Secondly the only change that occurred is that noble titles are now considered part of the surname, the German Constitution says nothing about the institution of the nobility, merely that everyone is to be considered equal, accordingly the nobility's privileges (which were mainly nonexistent by 1919 anyway) were removed. The Nobility as a soxial class, rather than a legal entity, exists just as much today as it did before 1919. German nobles style themselves as noble because they are. All this does not change that Freddy is no prince or noble, merely someone who bears a noble-sounding name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.232.196.227 (talk) 03:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

"Prince"
The official site for the House of Ascania, the dynasty which ruled Anhalt, states:

"Das Adoptionsrecht in Deutschland ermöglicht Erwachsenenadoptionen praktisch ohne Bedingungen. Deshalb gibt es unzählige Namensträger von Anhalt die nicht vom Hauses Anhalt-Askanien abstammen.

Nur die hier aufgeführten Namensträger stammen tatsächlich vom Hause Anhalt-Askanien ab."

Basically meaning: "The adoption laws in Germany make the adoptions of adults possible, practically without conditions. Therefore, there are innumerable carriers of the names of the House of Anhalt-Ascania from which they do not descend. Only the bears of the name specified here actually descend from the House of Ascania-Ascania."

Descent is the only way to belong to a German royal house, specifically male-line descent. Frédéric does not qualify under either category, nor is he listed as a member of the family. Charles 19:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know how much money he paid for the title and where his personal wealth came from? 69.204.163.4 22:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * He did not pay for a title, he exchanged money to be adopted and only gained a surname which looks like a title. As for where his personal wealth may have come from, I do not know. Charles 22:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * He PAID for being adopted, obviously for getting hold of the new family name and not for receiving for a new mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4938:51AD:1433:5A43:E8B6:8122 (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Adoption
Under the biography section is a statement about the subject's adoption. A [https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#de/en/Das%20Adoptionsrecht%20in%20Deutschland%20erm%C3%B6glicht%20Erwachsenenadoptionen%20praktisch%20ohne%20Bedingungen.%20Deshalb%20gibt%20es%20unz%C3%A4hlige%20Namenstr%C3%A4ger%20von%20Anhalt%2C%20die%20nicht%20vom%20Hause%20Anhalt-Askanien%20abstammen.%20Nur%20die%20hier%20aufgef%C3%BChrten%20Namenstr%C3%A4ger%20stammen%20tats%C3%A4chlich%20vom%20Hause%20Anhalt-Askanien%20ab. tranlslation via Google] shows that adult adoptions are allowed "virtually without condition" which appears to be openly allowable.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  01:32, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Father's profession
He is one of 5 children of the chief of police in Frankfurt - wrong. His father was a "Kriminalrat" which is a criminal police councillor, in Frankfurt. This is not the head of police.

Businessman of note?
The section had only his own sites as references, thus not reliable POV. I removed it and the recent POV wording added to the lede. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Her "titles"?
What is the specific source for this allegation please? " after the marriage Gabor styled herself 'Princess von Anhalt and Duchess of Saxony'." SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Surname
Im no proponent of using "fake titles" (all titles are fake some more fake than others...) but this aricle makes a point of introducing the subject by his "legal surname". Either this is wrong or further referenses are.

/The Polish Prince — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.38.14 (talk) 22:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)