Talk:Fragrance lamp

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The article said the lamp's normal operational temperature is too low to cumbost virtually anything, how low is it? Please be specific state a degree celcius there. According to my observation, the operating wick can burn through a piece of plain paper, that is certainly not considered as "temperature is too low". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rexis (talk • contribs) 05:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

COMBUSTION produces carbon dioxide and water, please dont ignore simple science fact. And please, study more about science facts before posting jokes in wikipedia. Rgds Rexis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rexis (talk • contribs) 04:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Catalytic combustion? What nonsense. And dangerous even if people believe the claim of 85% of bacteria killed. This is Wikipedia at its worst. -- 85.179.2.12 14:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually it is catalytic combustion. The wick stone contains platinum, palladium and other metals that catalyze the combustion of the isoproypl alcohol to produce ozone which destroys odors and bacteria. The chemistry is full of hundreds of examples where ceramic catalysts utilizing precious metals alter chemical reactions to beneficial outcomes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankBelliss (talk • contribs) 18:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

There is simply not enough science in this article. What is the chemical reaction? How bacteria is destroyed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihaigiurgeanu (talk • contribs) 17:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Maurice Berger?
Why Maurice Berger not found in France history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.3.125 (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel doubt about this lamp. Why it cannot found in French wikipedia? I saw some people who edited the page came from Malaysia (IP patterns: 60.x.x.x, 218.x.x.x, 219.x.x.x). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.205.115 (talk) 19:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ozone?
Hong Kong TVB already proved that it cannot produce any ozone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.205.115 (talk) 20:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Need verification
Wiki administrator, please verify whether the lamp is fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.88.190 (talk) 17:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

No, they're real. you can buy them online. But this seems a lot like an ad to me. --Scott —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.158.222.48 (talk) 18:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC) They mean do they work, not are they an inverted phenomenon for Wikipedia. Answer yes they seem to work in part. The air is seemingly cleaner. They don’t just emit nice smells that cover up bad ones. However is this aided by ozone production, possibly. Is the lamp able to kill bacteria les likely.

Sales Scam?
There are abounding rumors that Pyramid Sales Scams are associated with the marketing of the Lampe Berger line of Catalytic lamps in the Eastern Hemisphere. Malaysian investors reportedly have been easily bilked via "get rich quick schemes."

The lamp, itself, is not a scam ... the principle of catalysis has not changed in 150 years. The ceramic stone does need to be cleaned or replaced periodically. Leaving the lamp filled & unused for more than a few days will make it very hard to light. Most fuels have a fragrance oil added which, in time, will leave residue on the stone.
 * Oh sure, it oxidizes its _fuels_, yes ... the catalyst no doubt works. I still take issue with the concept that it eliminates odors, given that the same product also claims to be able to produce odors by using a scented fuel ... Seriously, which is it? None of these catalysts have a preference for all offensive odors vs. all non-offensive ones, not to mention people's own personal tastes. The bacteria claim is likely 100% bullshit, unless the product is giving off some toxin (acetone comes to mind ...). 70.162.59.107 (talk) 00:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuel?
Today's lamps may be used, exactly as were the originals, with straight 99% OR 91% Isopropyl Alcohol as fuel.

Soaking & rinsing the stone and wick in this alcohol for 24 hours usually revives it. Remember to air dry the wick (stone) before lighting again.

Typically, 10 ml. of any good quality fragrance oil is added to 500 ml. of 91% Isopropyl Alcohol (common 91%, not 70%, rubbing alcohol).

Why so critical?
These were used in hospitals. I've never known anything else to eliminate odors as well, including very expensive ionic air cleaners. I don't need a scientific study. I conduct my own every time I cook fish and then burn my lampe berger in my kitchen. I don't use fragrance - just pure alochol. It's like when you light a fart and it doesn't smell anymore. You burn away the odor. It's not that complicated. (unsigned)


 * You may not, but Wikipedia does need references to reliable sources in order to be able to make claims. After reading the article, I noticed a few important claims which require a reliable source reference:
 * - That it is a catalytic combustion process
 * - How the catalyst effect actually affects chemistry of burning (and its side-effect products), perfume dissipation and air molecules of the environment
 * - How an aromatic molecule degradation process could work while not affecting the perfume dissipation itself
 * - If ozone is actually being produced, and how much, relatively to the ozone levels required for actual disinfection (there however is a reference about ozone disinfection levels actually being a breathing health hazard).
 * Thanks, 76.10.128.192 (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

The section on Ozone seems wholly out of place
I have removed it. You may find it in the History of the article at today's date. Fiddle  Faddle  09:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)