Talk:Frances Barber

Trsnsphobia
I feel like Barber's history of abusive behavior and transphobia on social media needs to be documented here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.162.105 (talk) 14:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The accusation that Barber has a "history of abusive behavior and transphobia on social media" is very likely defamatory unless it is backed up. Gender critical beliefs are now legally protected in the UK following recent rulings, most notably in the Employment Appeal Tribunal in Forstater v Center for Global Development Europe and Others. JezGrove (talk) 18:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Career
Starting with the Pet Shop Boys seems strange. -- Beardo (talk) 17:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sexism
"In her early career (up until her early forties), she was often cast as an attractive young woman."

This is sexist, even though perhaps unintended. 80.0.209.229 (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring over JK Rowling's views
The article has been repeatedly edited to change the descriptions of both the nature of the response to JK Rowling's views and those views themselves. I suggest that we stick with the actual language used in the cited source from The Scotsman, which refers to them as "abuse and death threats" and "comments on gender identity" respectively. The source also says that Rowling "vehemently denies she is transphobic". Given that Rowling's gender-critical views are protected in law it is likely to be discriminatory to describe them as "transphobic" - it is certainly not NPOV to do so in Wikipedia's own voice. JezGrove (talk) 08:50, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've popped a warning on the page of the user who keeps reverting, and flagged on Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Starhunterfan (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

A bizarre semantic argument. "GC" views are anti-trans, and thus transphobic. This doesn't change because parts of a single case were won. It's entirely true that the law doesn't yet do enough about transphobia. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out. ShanaChan95 (talk) 12:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Just to flag, the page was protected (which it needed to be) just after ShanaCan95's zillionth revert, inadvertently protecting their disruptive edit. I've now removed ShanaCan95's editorial comment "transphobic" per discussion on this page. Right now the page just says "her views". Happy to keep discussing here if there's a sense a consensus has not been reached. IMO "her views", "her views on transgender issues" or "her comments on gender identity" are all fine and meet NPOV. Starhunterfan (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)