Talk:Frances Buss

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Frances Buss → Frances Mary Buss – This is her proper name, she is not properly called Frances Buss. As a well-known pioneer of womens education she is always known as Frances Mary Buss --Relisted. walk victor falktalk 21:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)  Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC) K8387 (talk) 08:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I can support this, although I do not agree that Miss Buss is always known as Frances Mary Buss. There are (for instance) the lines "Then pray, girls, pray, That He alway, Will bless our Frances Buss". Most reliable sources do seem to have "Frances Mary Buss", as Google books is giving me 2,450 hits for "Frances Buss", but 7,510 for "Frances Mary Buss". Moonraker (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Actually almost invariably known as "Miss Buss", but as that's a poor title her first name is fine. The Dictionary of National Biography calls her Frances Buss. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Google Ngram searches of books' text show that "Frances Mary Buss" was much more commonly used than "Frances Buss" until the mid 1980s. However, since then the frequency of references has narrowed. The terms have been used with about equal frequency in books for the past 20 years. General Google searches for "Frances Mary Buss" and "Frances Buss" return about 3x as many for the latter as the former. Per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME, the title should remain Frances Buss. Dezastru (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per both Necrothesp's point and Dezastru's ngram last 20 years. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:27, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Assessment comment
Substituted at 15:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

1900 date of the Frances Mary Buss and Sophie Bryant photograph
Frances Mary Buss definitely died in 1894, so the 1900 date attributed to the photograph is definitely wrong.

Following its source the original photograph is entitled "Miss Buss and Mrs Bryant" only, and it appears to come from a publication entitled "Frances Mary Buss Schools' Jubilee Record, London: Swan Sonnenschein, 1900", implying that the undated photograph comes from a book published in 1900 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the founding of the School in 1850.

I would suggest that the 1900 date is removed from the caption to the photograph entirely.

The photograph and error are also present on Sophie Bryant's Wikipedia page.

Reinelt 62 (talk) 15:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)