Talk:Frances Vorne

Biographical details?
Surely more is known of Vorne's early life than that she was born in New York c. 1925. If the rest of her background is truly unknown (again, I really doubt that), the article should say so. Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I will add that Google says that she died on August 8, 1990. It seems Wikipedia has mischaracterized her as a living person. I'll also say that the bulk of this article presents Ms. Vorne as simply "The Shape": it falls into the sexist trope of defining a woman in terms of the male gaze. I guess I don't know what Wikipedia standards are with respect to this issue. Lapisphil (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ancestry.com is showing Frances Vorne/Bazduch born 30 May 1920, married 27 Oct 1938, and dying 8 Aug 1990; however, these are primary sources and may not be suitable. Spheroidite (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The article establishes as fact that Frances Vorne was known professionally as "The Shape" and that she became famous for modeling a two-piece swimsuit. Is any of that a "sexist trope," or is it a statement of historical fact? 2603:800C:3A40:6400:7C82:B000:C781:1159 (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)