Talk:Francesco Crispi/Archive 1

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I started on this article because it was virtually top of the most wanted list, but it is clear that the 1911 EB writer I borrowed very heavily from was a real fan of Crispi.... those familiar with Italian history, please fix. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:50, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Francesco Crispi
Albanian Identities: Myth and History skriven av Schwandner-Sievers, Stephanie och Fischer, Bernd Jurgen: Francesco Crispi (himself of Italo-Albanian origin)

Geopolitical and Economic Changes in the Balkan Countries skriven av Nicholas V Gianaris: Francesco Crispi, twice primier of Italy, was a descendant of Albanian immigrants

Rome in America: Transnational Catholic Ideology from the Risorgimento to Fascism skriven av Peter R D'Agostino: Crispi came from a Greek orthodox family that had been part of an Albanian migration to western Sicily in the fitteenth century.

Praeger Studies of Foreign Policies of the Great Powers skriven av Benjamin D. Rhodes: Albanian community in southern Italy, Crispi supposedly belonged to it

The Balkans Since 1453 skriven av Stavrianos, L.S. (Formerly, Professor of History, Northwestern University, USA: Franceso Crispi, twice primier of Italy, was a descendant of these emigrants

Francesco Crispi, 1818-1901: From Nation to Nationalism skriven av Christopher Duggan: '''And he may have used Albanian a bit in his dealings with his family and his fellow seminarists, and when visiting Palazzo Adriano.... who had Sicilian and Albanian blood in his veins, [Crispi's] instinct is to conceal everything & he answers all questions with the impulse to mislead, not viciously but diplomatically, as an Albanian

The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present, skriven av Edwin E Jacques:

Francesco Crispi, also an Arbëreshë from Sicily, who signed himself an "Albanian by blood and by heart"

--213.100.205.149 17:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Crispi and the Arbëreshë
If you check the Website of the Associazione Culturale di Minoranza Linguistica Storica d'Italia you would find that it says: In Italia gli Arbëreshë hanno contribuito alla nascita dell'attuale contesto italiano con personaggi di rilievo, tra i quali : Papi Clemente XI e Clemente XII, Antonio Gramsci, Francesco Crispi, Girolamo De Rada, Masci, ecc. Of course I can't speak Italian, but I think that tha's clear enough. If it were an Albanian Website, one could assume that it is propaganda, but it is an Italian Website, and Italians are admitting that Crispi is Arbëreshë. What does that mean? Rex(talk) 09:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * If you read carefully, you will understand that this "Italian" site is full of Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda. Sorry, man! Probert 09:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

... and how would you define Arbëreshë and Albanian propaganda? Are you Italian? Rex(talk) 09:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Have it your way! Turn English Wikipedia into an Albanian playground with ethnic lies all around. FYI, User:Albanau is permanently banned on Swedish Wikipedia. I do NOT want to fight, but he is a troll! I am merely stating the bare facts. Probert 10:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Not my way. I have known Albanau for months; he is not a troll. A POV-pusher maybe, but not a troll. Trolls always use talk pages. Albanau never uses them. Rex(talk) 12:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a strange definition of trolling. Why do you think he's eternally banned on Swedish Wikipedia? Well, he has been conducting several edit wars, abused innocent users och edited from open proxies. BTW, do not start an off topic debate, just give me solid proof that Crispi was Arbëreshë. Probert 12:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, a quick [http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Crispi+Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB%3A.it&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt Yahoo! search] in the .it domains reveals that the University of Rome and Local Government Agencies in Italy, have no problem saying that Crispi was Arbëreshë. It's incredible how far the vast Albanian Conspiracy goes, isn't it? Rex(talk) 12:34, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, lies of this magnitude have a tendency to spread... Probert 13:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a load of bull and you know it! Why don't you just accept the fact that Crispi was Arbëreshë? It's true, and more importantly, according to Wikipedia policies Verifiability, Cite sources and Reliable sources it we should say that Crispi was Arbëreshë. I'm no Albanian nationalist, I'm (in this case at least) interested in facts. Unless of course you believe that this Vast Albanian Conspiracy  is of such magnitute, that it puts the alleged "Zionist Occupation Government" conspiracy theory in perspective and forces the University of Rome to promote Albanian propaganda. You asked for sources and I gave you sources. What more do you want? Rex(talk) 14:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * May God Almighty bless you! Probert 16:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Crispi and Arbëreshë
I don't know if Crispi was really an Arbëreshë and it doesn't matter to me, but Palazzo Adriano was an Arbëreshë colony. This is a fact, and it is stated on the official site of Palazzo Adriano. It is also a strong possibility that Crispi's family was Arbëreshë (if you read Francesco Crispi, 1818-1901: From Nation to Nationalism by Oxford University Press it seems quite clear that he was of Albanian origin), but since this is disputed I will not put it back in without a definitive proof. Mushroom 01:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC) Here you got Crispi's tomb,and its written in Albanian (Arbresh dialect) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlbertBikaj (talk • contribs) 17:01, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Rating
I gave this a B rating. More sources are needed and more details would be helpful. The first term seems a bit short and lacking of detail. ludahai 魯大海 13:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

CRISPI IS THE F****** MAN!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.210.99 (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Strike action and death penalty
The page should say that Crispi abolished the death penalty and made legal the association and the strike action(first in Europe) Ujkaj4president (talk) 07:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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