Talk:Francesco Maria Veracini

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Francesco's uncle Antonio gets his own article in the Grove, though only his printed violin music survives. I don't know if anyone will want to write an article on him, so I decided to make his name a link, just in case. Dmetric 19:14, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Corri?
Corri: "La Clemenza di Tito, on a libretto by Corri based on one by Pietro Metastasio." Who's this? Not the familiar Domenico Corri (1746-1825).--Wetman (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

How on earth?
Jeremy Kohl acts like a policeman. In the first place he is not an early music lover, but someone who likes Stockhausen. Why are you interested in Veracini? Could you explain your effort on this article? To improve the article seems not be your goal. Taksen (talk) 14:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC) On the German Wikipedia is an article on Adriano in Siria. It has an interesting table, please go there and try to improve the information here. That would be helpful.14:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Permit me a small correction: my given name is Jerome, not Jeremy (unless of course you are referring to someone else). Second, on what do you base your claim that I am "not an early music lover"? Is there a reason why a listener who likes Stockhausen may not like any other kind of music? I am interested in Veracini for several reasons, not the least of which is that I have over many years played his twelve sonatas for recorder and continuo, and regard them as being among the most original and finely crafted works for the instrument from the Italian repertory of the first decades of the 18th century (the equal of or better than the contemporary sonatas of Mancini, Alessandro Scarlatti, and Vivaldi). I am also interested in his violin sonatas for much the same reason, though I cannot play the violin myself. I have not heard a single note of any of his operas, though I know something of their history, and on the strength of his instrumental music am very curious about them, and why they have fared so poorly up to now in the revival of Baroque opera. Finally, my effort on this article lately has been mainly to make the references consistent in format. In the process, I discovered some external links to sites that did not seem to verify the claims to which they are attached. The Manchester Library link, for example, tells us only that they are closed for renovation at the present time. I do not see what this has to do with Veracini at all.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Vertonungen
Hey Jerome, how is your German? I was listening to this opera last Saturday evening on a German Radio Station Deutschlandradio Kultur. It was broadcasted on Ö1 a week before. In a Krakow Theatre Fabio Biondi performed this opera last December. Also in Madrid Veracini's (best) opera was performed. The next recording project of Europa Galante included Francesco Maria Veracini’s opera Adriano in Siria (which will be recorded live with a top class cast including Genaux, Hallenberg, Prina and Basso). On YouTube you can find at least four aria's from this opera and a duet. Some were uploaded only a week ago. (Unfortunately they did not upload more alt and bass arias. Ugo Guagliardo had beautiful arias and he is a remarkable singer.)


 * I can hardly appreciate Wikipedians with an attitude like: "I have never heard this before, so it cannot be true". Besides the (English) Wikipedia has so many rules, it became impossible to improve an article with what is new. It looks to me some people prefer to stay dumb, rather than accept anything new.
 * Your tone changed, but I think it is your turn to improve the article with the references I left here, rather than me getting involved into another edit war.
 * This article has been visited 200 times last weekend. Also on the German Wikipedia there is more attention. A "fight" helps to get attention for Biondi's new project.
 * Hopefully there will be someone who can adjust this table and import it somewhere into the article.Taksen (talk) 04:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Taksen (talk) 04:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Folgende Komponisten legten dieses Libretto ihrer Oper Adriano in Siria zugrunde:


 * Thanks for the links. This is also a very nice table. It astounds me that not a single reliable source can be found for any of this, to be added to the English article—or can it? I see 56 footnote numbers, but none of them link to anything—presumably they do so on the German Wikipedia. The problem with English Wikipedia is no "too many rules"—it is "too few editors who do their homework". Auch, ich habe sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse, danke!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Opus 1
Hello Jerome, for the first time in my life I have been listening (on YouTube) to Opus 1 for violin.. I recognized almost every single note. Is it an adaptation of (violin) works by Händel or is it the other way around? In 1719 when Händel was in Dresden he could have supplied Veracini with a copy. Some sonatas are very similar. Do you know or can you find anything about it?Taksen (talk) 06:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The Händel violin sonatas are somewhat problematic (that is to say, there are a number of sonatas once attributed to Händel that are almost certainly not his). Still, assuming we are speaking of the authenticated Händel compositions, his sonatas were of course enormously influenced by Italian music, especially by Corelli. Veracini had a somewhat odd relationship to Corelli's music, as well, going so far as to rewrite some of the older master's sonatas, on grounds that he really didn't know how to compose bass lines (!!). Händel and Veracini were personally acquainted, during the latter's visits to London (and as you say, also when Händel visited Dresden), and Händel certainly would have heard Veracini perform his own compositions. Stylistically, therefore, we might expect a rather close relationship. On the other hand, it has been some time since I last listened to the Op. 1 sonatas, and I think I ought to refresh my memory.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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