Talk:Francesco Schettino

Notability
I don't think this should be deleted - it should be expanded. If you google his name there are 10,000 news articles where he is mentioned, and he is the leading story on numerous mainstream news sites. His actions are being blamed for 6 deaths and the loss of a $500 million vessel. Also analysts are saying this event could have a lasting impact on the Cruise industry and also stop large ships from being built in the future. This poker player can have an entry in wikipedia but this Capitan can't? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Graham_(Poker_Player)
 * Agreed, he will be famous now for the rest of his life, and this story has yet to even unfold. Worth keeping as I'm sure more history will be dug up by the media. Leeveraction (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, he will be famous now for the rest of his life, and this story has yet to even unfold. Worth keeping as I'm sure more history will be dug up by the media. Leeveraction (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Per the wikipedia deletion policy C.2 the page was recently created and more time should be given to develop the article before it was proposed for deletion. Also per D.2 a google news search would show 10,000 references which clearly outweighs the concern that he is noteworthy due to a single event.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varaldarade (talk • contribs) 18:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Why, maybe I've been to hasty in my decision of proposing it for deletion; I just thought that the Wikipedia policy regarding people notable for a single event could be applied here. The fact that there are more than 10,000 news articles is irrelevant, IMHO, as the event for which he is notable is just this one shipwreck. By the same token then, should we create a biography for the captain of each airliner that crashes because of human error? For example Captain Robert 'Bob' Loft was the pilot of one of the most famous aircraft disasters attributed to pilot error (these are the words in the wiki entry for Pilot error), Eastern Air Lines Flight 401, at the time, the deadliest in the United States, and Captain John R. Maus failed to use the taxi checklist and so forgot to extend the flaps before takeoff of Northwest Airlines Flight 255 causing the death of 156 people - this resulted in the enforcement of more strict rules regarding checklists and whatnot in the aviation industry. Don't they deserve separate articles as well? -- Itemirus  Message me!  19:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The point regarding the airline pilots is a good one. Both are tragic accident likely caused by human error.  Can someone explain why Matt_Graham_(Poker_Player) should get a page?  It will probably get 3 hits a decade from his family.  Or Tom_Brennan_(basketball).  These people seem less noteworthy to me.  But maybe it is because the Captain should just be merged into the disaster article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varaldarade (talk • contribs) 19:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Single event
Captain Schettino is notable solely for his role in a single event (the ship crash). As such, he should have a prominent section within the shipwreck article, but he does not merit his own article separately. The event is more important than the person, therefore focus on the event.

While it's true that poker players may not be very "important" in the grand scheme of things, the one you mention is noted for multiple separate events. However, perhaps you could create a List of Poker Champions article, and merge all of the various minor winners into a single page. - Frankie1969 (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Captain Edward J. Smith is also "famous" for the sinking of the Titanic and has his own page. Leeveraction (talk) 20:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Article is needed
His story is clearly noteworthy, needed, and different than the CC story. It will be expanded as it unfolds.Ekem (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * He is known for one event—being the captain of the Costa Concordia when it ran aground. Please revert the article to the redirected state. Thanks, Goodvac (talk) 02:04, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Edward J. Smith and Joseph Hazelwood are precedents.Ekem (talk) 02:08, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are some good examples, but their notability was built up over decades. It is not clear if Schettino will be at that level by the end of this ordeal. Goodvac (talk) 03:13, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I concur with Goodvac, It's not yet clear if Schettino will ever be known for anything but this 1 event and be know for more than a fleeting moment.--RadioFan (talk) 03:52, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The known for one event rule clearly states "If the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial and well-documented ... a separate biography may be appropriate." I am not old enough to comment about Edward J. Smith, but Hazelwood was immediately notable, - his notability was not built up over decades. Schettino will be the focus of major legal proceedings and his background, character, education, training, past performance, etc will all be subject to scrutiny in the process. I simply cannot understand why with a story as big as the Costa Concordia disaster you do not think that it is appropriate to give the main actor a biographical page.
 * I see that the article was apparently deleted, redirected to CC disaster, and request it to be restored. It should not be deleted without a vote.Ekem (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * @Ekem: First, Concordia is not comparable, by any stretch of the imagination, to the most infamous shipwreck in modern history or to the most infamous oil tanker crash. IMO, Concordia is a flash in the pan that will be mostly forgotten in a year or few. Second, I would support the merger of Joseph Hazelwood's article into Exxon Valdez. There are far too many one-eventers in Wikipedia. - Frankie1969 (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, what about putting it to a vote, rather than deleting it, while a discussion is going on? The guidelines state, "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." The event is significant - apparently the largest shipwreck ever, impact on cruise line business, legal action against FS, media treatment of FS, and more - and FS is the major individual in the event. Apparently not everybody agrees, but can we settle this by restoring the article and then vote if it should be deleted, rather than just erasing it?Ekem (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As I have stated on my talk page, it seems to me that Francesco Schettino will not rise above WP:BLP1E anytime soon, and I agree with User:Frankie1969 that Joseph Hazelwood isn't really a good example. As far as putting it to a vote, consensus here and in the article history, with User:Itemirus (Proposed article for deletion per WP:BIO1E), User:Moncrief (I'd probably put this up for deletion if I weren't such an inclusionist; info belongs in CC disaster page, with as little as is here now), User:RadioFan (retargeted) and User:ThFSPB (created the redirect in the first place) is that this should remain a redirect, at least for now. Finally, I note that four different admins deleted his article from the Italian Wikipedia, and it is now locked to prevent its recreation. If anyone is in a position to find good sources, it would be Italian speakers. Speciate (talk) 02:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * May seem like only a "flash in the pan" by the numbers of people killed, but I doubt you have the Italian perspective of it. It's a national tragedy and disgrace for them and it is huge in their media. 165.134.208.174 (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I dont think anyone is trying brush aside the tragedy here, the concern is whether a separate biographical article is needed. As others have pointed out WP:BIO1E precludes articles like this and asks that this person be covered in the article about the event. Much is known and can be written about the event but very little can be written about this person and what has been written is only in the context of this event. --RadioFan (talk) 12:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Violation of WP procedure
The article was tagged by User:Itemirus as follows on January 16: In disregard of this the article was then erased, prior to January 23, by people who oppose the article. I suggest we should follow established WP procedures and to restore the integrity of the process as follows: 1. Restore article. 2.Tag for deletion. 3. Let discussion unfold over the next 7 days.Ekem (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The article wasn't deleted, it was redirected. Let's ease up on the Wikilawyering and focus on improving the article on the disaster.  If there is a sufficient biographical section on this person, I think the opposition to a dedicated article will take care of itself.--RadioFan (talk) 19:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

AfD
Let's move this discussion of notability to a more formal discussion at Articles for deletion/Francesco Schettino and get this settled for now.--RadioFan (talk) 19:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Article was restored. Tag says it should not be blanked (redirect to CC distaster is an equivalent) and can be edited. Ekem (talk) 00:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Article newly created in 2015
Clearly a biographical article is overdue. There have been over 600 hits on the English WP looking for this entry just within the last 30 days. Schettino has been in the news for three years and will continue to do so. A biographic article is currently present in the Russian and German WP. While Schettino is mentioned many times within the context of the lengthy Costa Concordia disaster article, this information is scattered all over and leaves out important issues.Ekem (talk) 13:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Schettino is only known for this one event, hence the article should be deleted. --Mondschein English (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This issue has been discussed and settled, see Deletion review/Log/2015 July 5 Ekem (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality tag?
On May 22 user: 79.40.178.86 pasted a tag questioning the neutrality of the article but failed to clarify the specifics. It would be quite helpful to know what the issue is. Ekem (talk) 02:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Geogene, for taking care of the tag.Ekem (talk) 12:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Inconsistent date formats
This article has inconsistent date formats: some dates are American format (April 1, 2016), some European (1 April 2016). Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Inconsistency within the article
In the intro, it is stated that 32 passengers and crew lost their lives in the disaster. In the section about the disaster, it is stated that 33 people lost their lives. Which one?WatneyScience (talk) 07:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Schettino career
Link to report is here: https://www.mitma.gob.es/recursos_mfom/2012costaconcordia.pdf - info is from page 79 CaptCarlsen (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: CRISIS COMMUNICATION
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Lede Fails Standard Reporting Protocol
Lede says he was sentenced but fails to mention the charges. It's basic reporting. "Mr. Jones was charged and convicted of "x", and was sentenced to "y" years in prison."192.107.1.225 (talk) 19:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Abandoning Dying Passengers
...is not in the Lede. It's the only thing that makes him noteworthy, and yet Wikipedia fails to include it in the Lede. Boats crash and sink all the time, and the people in the drown and die, but a Captain that abandons a sinking ship to save himself, while abandoning his crew and passengers is the ONLY reason why he's noteworthy. This Article feels sanitized.192.107.1.225 (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)