Talk:Francis Lascelles

Death warrant
"Of the 135 members nominated, only 68 attended; they included Lascelles but he was absent when sentence was passed and did he sign the death warrant. Charles was executed on 30 January 1649 and . . ."

Is "did he sign the death warrant" telling readers something or nothing? Eddaido (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I've updated and corrected, have a look and let me know if you have any questions.

Robinvp11 (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Francis Lascelles, far short of being "unconnected" to the aristocratic family, is their ancestor!
What is the source for the statement "While unconnected to the aristocratic family of the same name (etc)"? If it's the biography at http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/lascelles-francis-1612-67, the actual statement there is "Lascelles is a name of great antiquity in Yorkshire, and the senior branch already held estates in the North Riding in the 12th century. But Lascelles’s grandfather, who bought the Stank estate in 1608, was not able to connect up his pedigree with the medieval family." "The medieval family" is by no means to necessarily be conflated with "the aristocratic family" (i.e., the Earls of Harewood; that peerage- and the Lascelles viscountcy- was only created in 1812 for Edward Harewood [1740-1820] who had been created Baron Harewood in 1796, and who was the heir of his unmarried cousin, Edwin Lascelles, 1st Baron Harewood (that title, created 1790, becoming extinct). At any rate, tracing back from Edwin Lascelles on Wikipedia brings one back- through his father Henry and grandfather Daniel (although interestingly this article doesn't link to Daniel's for some reason)- to this article. Burke's Peerage 2003 (vol. 2, p. 1784) corroborates this relationship - as do older peerages such as Collins's- https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JFc5AAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&dq=Francis+Lascelles+1612&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lascelles&f=false (see p. 510-12 for the descent from Francis to Edwin, 1st Baron Harewood) Even the Collins pedigree, after noting that "the family of Lascelles are of ancient standing and respectability in Yorkshire", observes that "there was a baronial family of this name, and seated in this county. Roger de Lascelles received summons among the Peers, 22 Edw. I", this older family, to which the Harewood Lascelles family were evidently unable to establish a link, presumably being that referred to on the historyofparliament site.


 * Different aristocratic family but I've updated. The information came from the Peerage, I forgot to reference it. Robinvp11 (talk) 17:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)