Talk:Francisco Fernández de la Cueva, 8th Duke of Alburquerque



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move. — Mets 501 (talk) 22:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Support Article is missing the duke's numerial order, request to move. Gryffindor  07:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I see no reason for this change. We could keep adding details to article titles, but to what purpose? The information should be given in the article, of course, but the article title should be relatively short and should correspond to the way the individual would be thought of, remembered and searched for. Rbraunwa 13:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but peerage has their number included if there were multiple ones. See Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, 3rd Duke of Alba or Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart, 18th Duchess of Alba or George Gordon, 5th Duke of Gordon for reference sake. Gryffindor  15:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Some article titles include the numbers, but many, perhaps most, don't. I would argue that they should be removed from the ones that do rather than added to the ones that don't. (But I have a high degree of tolerance for variation, and I'm not seriously arguing that position.) My feeling is that anything that can be left out of the article title should be left out. Titles should be succinct, and easy to remember and type. Their only purpose is to uniquely specify someone or something. Sometimes not even the full name of the person is given in the article title, as here: Manuel Antonio Flores. The place for details is in the body of the article, not in its title. The title here is already long, and making it longer is not going to make it easier to find or type or remember.
 * Rbraunwa 02:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I strongly believe the the ordinals are important enough to warrant inclusion in article titles. It is easy enough to do and it is accurate. Charles 00:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Support If the Duke was indeed the 8th holder of the ducal title. Charles 00:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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Date of founding of Alburquerque
Francisco Fernández de la Cueva, 8th Duke of Alburquerque says,
 * "The villa of Alburquerque (note the difference in spelling from the name of the current city) was founded February 7, 1660 in New Mexico under his direction. He granted land to more than 100 Spanish families there."

and New Spain says,
 * "The U.S. (modern day New Mexico) town of Alburquerque was founded in 1660, ..."

and History of New Mexico says,
 * "Spanish settlers arrived at the site of Albuquerque in the mid-1600s."

But Albuquerque, New Mexico says,
 * "The city was founded in 1706 as the Spanish colonial outpost of Alburquerque; ..."

and New Mexico says,
 * "While developing Santa Fe as a trade center, the returning settlers founded the old town of Albuquerque in 1706, ..."

The city's website says,
 * "Although there was no formal villa in the area, by the 1650s several dozen Spanish estancias (farms), were scattered throughout the valley. Among them was the home of Francisco de Trujillo and his wife, dona Luisa, located on the east bank of the Rio Grande amid a large stand of cottonwoods, near present-day Old Town. The property, which came to be known as El Bosque de doña Luisa (the Grove of doña Luisa), was chosen by New Mexico's governor in 1706 to be the site of the Villa de Alburquerque.




 * On 23 April 1706 Francisco Cuervo y Valdés, who replaced Governor Vargas in 1704, wrote to the king of Spain and to the viceroy of New Spain he had founded a new villa in New Mexico. Cuervo y Valdés named the community after the viceroy, Fernandez de la Cueva, Duque de Alburquerque. The governor, in his letter wrote:


 * I certify to his majesty: That I have founded a villa on the banks and in the valley of the River of the North in a place of good fields, waters, pastures, and timber, distant from this villa of Santa Fe about twenty-two leagues,... naming it the Villa of Alburquerque... "

What — if anything — happened in 1660? —wwoods 21:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"Eldest viable adult male" ?
This term needs an explanation. Were there older adult males who were somehow "not viable" ? How so ? StuRat (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It also needs shortening. No "juvenile" male can be older than an adult male, so "eldest adult" is pleonasm. Surtsicna (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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