Talk:Francisco Javier López Peña

Definition of volunteer
Dear Mr: Estalentau:

According to the wikipedia version of volunteer the DEFINITION of the word (as opposed to some private person's explanation in the intro) comes from: "word comes from Latin, and can be translated as "will" (as in doing something out of ones own free will)."

Furthermore, "BY DEFINITION (emphasis added), a volunteer worker does not get paid or receive compensation for services rendered other than reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses.[1]"

Now, out of this description what part doesn't fit into the part that Lopez Pena was a volunteer. Obviously some sources think he is a terrorist (spanish govt) and some think he is a revolutionary (ETA), but as wikipedia's encyclopedic authority we should mantain a more neutral definition, no? Lihaas (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Lihaas, It is crystal clear Lopez Pena is a volunteer. No debate. However, he voluntarily joined a terrorist organization (ETA). Hence for clarity’s sake, he has to be named as terrorist.

“as wikipedia's encyclopedic authority we should mantain a more neutral definition, no?”

Don’t know about you, but I am an authority of nothing. Instead of rambling, we would better stick with ETA’s definition as terrorist group issued by reliable authorities such as UN and European Union. --Estalentau (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr: Estalentau:


 * The UN doesn't maintain a list of organizations as such, so I don't know where you get that from. The EU is a body representative of its members, so it is naturally going to espouse what spain demands.
 * Nonetheless, there are extralegal entities that don't consider them terrorists. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying they're revolutionaries or such. I'm merely saying BOTH sides inhibit a bias.
 * Perhaps you have another term more neutral. But terrorist and revolutionary are also biases on 2 different sides.
 * Lihaas (talk) 11:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Remove of infobox
Someone has edited out the old infobox, while it may be correct that the it wasnt the best infobox, can we have some debate and discuss things before major changes?Lihaas (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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