Talk:Franco-British Union

List of colonies
Is it necessary to list the colonies of the proposed union in the introduction of the article? The list of colonies has changed other time and the Union has been proposed at different times in the 20th century (1904, 1940 and 1956 according to the article.) Moreover this information is not very useful. 2A01:E0A:16:ED0:CD73:2D0D:382A:9C72 (talk) 07:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The list & map are inaccurate, as at 1940. Many British colonies of the time are missing (eg Malay States, Straits Settlements, Hong Kong). It also includes territories of each power which weren’t technically colonies but eg protectorates (eg Tunisia, Uganda) broadly independent British Dominions (eg Canada). Map / list should be comprehensive if included, and use accurate terms. Suggest something generic like “territories”. 2A01:CB19:3C8:D300:4C0A:922B:10E5:E80E (talk) 17:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Franco-German Union
it was said in the post-WWII 20th century france formed the germano-french european couple after a diplomatic failure between a british-french union. actually from its roots in the Franks era france is closer to germany than england isn'it? Paris By Night 06:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (1) On the formation of the Germano-French couple created after the British-French unions failures: no, there is no direct link between the failures of the various proposals on a British-French union and the creation of the "Germano-French couple." The dates don't match up. The article mentions 1904 (Entente Cordiale), 1940 (WW2) and 1956 (Suez Crisis.) Of course there was no rapprochement between France and Germany in 1904 (10 years before Germany invaded France) and in 1940 (during WW2.) In contrast, the relations between France and Germany improved between 1925 (Locarno Treaties) and 1932, and then after WW2, mainly within the framework of European integration, and formalised in 1963 under the Élysée Treaty. The need for reconciliation and a lasting peace in Europe were the driving force behind the Franco-German rapprochement, rather than the "failure" of a very hypothetical union between France and the UK. Even as a factor of influence, I would name the UK's lack of interest for the European integration before these very hypothetical projects. 2A01:E0A:16:ED0:CD73:2D0D:382A:9C72 (talk) 07:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * (2) On the fact that France is closer to Germany than to England, due to its roots in the Franks era: Sure, Charlemagne provided a historical reference for the European integration. But France also has historical links with England, through the Anglo-Norman kingdom, and the Angevin empire. Culturally, the English language borrowed a lot of vocabulary from the French, and historically the fact that they were important colonial powers was both a subject of rivalry and of rapprochement. 2A01:E0A:16:ED0:CD73:2D0D:382A:9C72 (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Geographically, yes! France and Germany share a border. Culturally? Also yes, sort of. Border regions (especially those which have changed hands between France and Germany/Prussia) have strong intermixing of cultures. Riesling wine, for instance! It makes as much sense as a union between the UK and US, and many have suggested the UK is "the 51st state". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 01:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Culturally? NO!! France is closer culturally to Italia than Germany, sorry!So an Franco-Italian Union is better. ;)
 * France is closer culturally to Italia? NO!! Italy is closer culturally to Spain than France, sorry! Only South East France (Provence, Corsica) is closer culturally to Italia.88.178.38.7 (talk) 09:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Scotland and France
should be mentioned the scotts and french fought their common foe during the Hundred Years' War. Paris By Night 06:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Could be. However Scotland wasn't (and still isn't) a sovereign nation at the time of Mollet's request. The union would have been between France and the UK. Remember that the terms "Anglo" and "British" when used in such context do not necessarily refer to England (note the Anglo-French Concorde, developed during a similar period in history to Mollet's request). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

ireland and france
is there a link between them? these people being both roman catholic. Paris By Night 06:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Depends how you look at it. France was officially secular, the RoI at the time was officially Catholic.
 * Now, France was a protagonist in WW2, Ireland was officially neutral. If you are asking the question "Why an Anglo-French union and not an Irish-French union?", I think religion would certainly not have been the factor that makes or breaks the deal. France was more concerned with rebuilding flattened cities, coming to terms with frictions between the ex-collaborators and the ex-resistance, trying to avoid getting drawn into other conflicts. Not to mention they were developing a forward-looking agenda that resulted in such things as TGV, France's nuclear power generation and a large chunk of Airbus. So, I'd imagine Mollet's request was either through gratitude and a desire for the two nations to be closer, or through desparation and a notion of "safety in numbers" (I'd imagine the latter!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 01:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Henry II was a French noble
"From 1066 to 1214, the King of England held extensive fiefs in northern France, adding to Normandy the counties of Maine, Anjou, and Touraine, and the Duchy of Brittany." I think this part is misleading since it was the Count of Anjou that added Normandy and England to his domain, becoming "incidentaly" King of England. I'd redirect you to the Angevin Empire page for sources and details. -Chairman Meow

World War II proposal
Wasn't the WWII proposal also about preventing repercussions from the Germans over continued fighting either during or after armistice. Was it also intended to delegitimize Petain's administration? Possibly outlined as such in 'Dunkirk' by Hugh Sebag Montefiore. - maxrspct  ping me  14:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Entente Cordiale?
Should we really have a section on the Entente cordiale? I don't think anyone seriously viewed it as a step towards union. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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