Talk:Frank Jenner

Copyedit
As you can see, I'm in the midst of a copyedit of this article. I'm writing here to express some of my doubts about the tone of this article. Honestly, much of the stuff about his early life smells a little suspicious. It all seems meant to give the impression that he was a sinner who changed his ways, and it seems a little POV. Sure enough, the titles of all the sources seem to suggest that they were written by insiders -- that is, evangelical Christians. I realize that it makes sense, since they are the group most likely to be interested in him as a subject. I just think this article adopts their positive a little too closely. I think the best way to fix that would be to add attribution throughout the article, as in, "So-and-so says that Jenner...." or "According John Smith..."

I'm going to keep copyediting, without doing anything drastic, but I look forwarding to hearing comments. Bobnorwal (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the copyedit, Bob! I would be glad for the article to be phrased as neutrally as possible. I see two statements in the article that seem to indicate negative things about Jenner's life before becoming a Christian, the first being that he "was anti-authoritarian as a boy and... was sent to work aboard a training ship for misbehaving boys," and the second being that he "developed the impulse control disorder of problem gambling." I have added attributions to these statements as you recommended, although I could have easily attributed these statements to other sources; both are indicated in multiple sources. Are there any other statements you feel should have explicit attributions? Neelix (talk) 20:08, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Neelix. I think you've done a really nice job with this article. Since you asked, I do feel like the part about his conversion could use some clearer attribution, particularly the line about his wife thinking he was manic. Other than that, I think I'm done here. Bobnorwal (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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