Talk:Frank Judge

Changes
I've noticed deletions and revisions to this page made by a contributor who's made the interesting claim that the article "looks more like a user page" Kevin Lakhani (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC). This is a clearly pejorative, loaded statement -- in fact, ANY article on a person could look like a "user page" if one is inclined to view such pages in a negative light.

Lakhani has also inserted headers regarding "Notability", "Clean up" and "Puffery". I've contributed several edits to this article, which was created over four years ago and has been expanded ever since without any meaningful challenges.

Regarding "notability", this concepts is under discussion for being ill-defined. Not every article needs to be about a "notable" (usually meaning "well known", "newsworthy") person or thing. In a comprehensive enclcopedia such a Wikepedia aspires to be, one should be able to find information on both the well-known and the obscure. Related to this, the more obscure a subject, the less likely there will be numerous, citable "secondary" sources -- often editors will have to conduct "original research" to ferret out primary sources such as individuals familiar with the topic REGARDLESS of whether such information was ever published. Citation would be the criterion.

If Lakhani can contribute something by way of "clean up" because he feels the style can be improved with some tweaking, he should contribute something rather than simply inserting flags. As to "puffery", I personally have no vested interest beyond seeing the material represented accurately and fairly. "Puffery" is another pejorative, loaded term that suggests exaggerated, inflated statements meant to make something look better than it is. I have not made any such statements, and I don't see that any of the prior contributors have either.

I've personally found numerous articles on Wikipedia which are no different than this one. The unfounded nature of Lakhani's flags, raises the question of whether some personal objection to the article is at play. Checker (talk) 07:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As I have said on my user page discussion in response to your message, please do not discuss articles on my user page discussion. This is the place for such discussion. This article is currently rated as a C on the quality scale. This should at the very least indicate that the article requires cleanup. I have no "personal objection" to the article. I chose not to go ahead and edit away on the article because I know little to nothing about Frank Judge but I do know a little about well organized wiki articles. The fact that you are so defensive on the article makes me think that perhaps you feel that my adding templates was some kind of attack on the page. It was only to alert anyone looking at the page that some review was needed. Please see my response to your message on my discussion page for more information, I do not want to repeat myself over and over and I don't think that this is really that big of an issue to be spending so much time discussing. If you would really like me to make some edits, I would be happy to when I have time (I'm at work on lunch break atm). Kevin Lakhani (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I like the term "clean-up" very much. This article reads like a resumé or a conversational bibliography. Like a cover-letter to a magazine. As for the accusations of "puffery," so what? I have never tried to make any Wiki entry, but several others have tried to make one for me, and they got shot down. Do you have evidence this is a person writing his own wiki entry or sending minions? Perhaps I can fix, at least, the JOURNALISM "C" by interviewing this person and folks associated with him. Hehe. Because I say what I feel, and I feel nothing for this fellow who I have recently learned is important in the Rochester, NY poetry scene... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxpoet (talk • contribs) 07:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Added BLP hatnote back.
I just added the BLP sources hatnote back into the article because it still needs reliable sources. Especially with a living person, Wikipedia takes much more caution. There is danger of this being deleted without some real references. I'm sorry, but having a note at the bottom that says basically, "Trust me, I've seen sources," is not good enough and cannot be used in Wikipedia. We need verifiable and reliable sources. And the comment in the edit summary about none being online is irrelevant. Reliable sources do not have to be online. Please study WP:Citing sources. I and every other WP reader/editor can absolutely demand sources for any information put in. Having verifiable content is the cornerstone of Wikipedia. See WP:VERIFY. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Related discussion on user talk page.
A discussion related to this article and all the Rochester Poets articles is also ongoing at here and here, for anyone interested. Some of it is rehashing discussions here, but may include new discussions. Too long to copy over here, so created this link to it. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC) updated to link to archived discussion correctly. JoannaSerah (talk) 23:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Project class, importance
I do not feel that this article is a B-class for any of the projects. Doesn't look like any other B-class articles. Don't think this a mid-level priority for the Poetry project (probably not for the others as well). Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 23:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've re-rated it start-class. It does not meet the b-class standards as per Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment guidelines. The article is not suitably referenced. The article does not reasonably cover the topic. INeverCry   02:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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