Talk:Frank Loesser

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There is a template "needs expert attention", on this article. I see no edit summary nor further explanation on this talk page to show what the problem(s) is(are). I have edited this article previously and, to me, I see no problems that would require an expert. (I am certainly not an expert in anything.) Therefore, after a week or so, I propose to delete the template, after I carefully read this article again, and after I read some online sources to see what might be lacking, and assuming no one objects. I have asked the editor who placed the template for comments. JeanColumbia (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I reviewed this article, and find nothing that would need the expert attention requested by the template, so I removed the template. (I made some minor copy edits to the article.) JeanColumbia (talk) 15:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life
Details of personal life need some clean up. Specifically, the section starts with marriage to Jo Sullivan but fails to mention how he did not now become a bigamist with the assistance of his first wife, mentioned earlier in the article, who introduced him to Sullivan. (IMDB lists a divorce in 1957.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jszigeti (talk • contribs) 09:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date of death
The date given in the article is July 26, 1969, and that date is also given in the biography found on Loesser's official website. However, Loesser's New York Times obituary, published on July 29, 1969, states in the first sentence that Loesser died "yesterday," i.e. July 28. The AP and UPI obituaries published the same day say the same. (Technically, the AP obit says he died "Monday," but July 29, 1969 was a Tuesday, so...). Since a newspaper is a more reliable source than a self-published website, I changed the date in the article.John (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

City College
Was Loesser 14 years old when attending City College of New York? The article says he left after one year in 1925. If born in 1910 he would have been 14 or 15 years old. True? 94.67.20.208 (talk) 18:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point! This is the statement from the PBS article: "Bored with formal education (he flunked out of the City College of New York in 1925, his first year)". This is the statement from his own web site: "He attended Townsend Harris High School and New York's City College, which he dropped out of during the Depression, and supported himself with an array of jobs that included selling newspaper advertising..." . I believe that the depression started around 1929, and therefore we might assume that Mr. L. dropped out around that time, rather than 1925. This certainly calls for further research, but I will not have the time to do it until early December, at the earliest. JeanColumbia (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (Had a little bit of time.) This is what Susan Loesser, his daughter, wrote: " was accepted at Townsend Harris, a three-year high school for gifted children, but expelled before graduation because he put more of his creative energy into practical jokes than into his studies. At fifteen he was accepted without a high school diploma at City College of New York, then expelled again, shortly after entering-for failing every subject but English and gym, and for polishing the nose of a bronze statue." (ref: A most remarkable fella, Frank Loesser and the guys and dolls in his life : a portrait by his daughter, Hal Leonard Corporation, 2000, ISBN 0634009273, p. 8) Since he was born on June 29, 1910, I'd think that he entered City College in 1925, at age 15, and left in 1925-1926, based on Susan Loesser's book. Therefore, I am inclined to say that the date in the article is correct.JeanColumbia (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Writing Career
The sentence "After a year of his songs being noticed by publishers or performers, he was fired" does not make logical sense to me; should it not say "After a year of his songs NOT being noticed by publishers or performers, he was fired"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Picker O'nits (talk • contribs) 19:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I just added the 1961 Original Cast Album Grammy award for How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, I discovered missing while doing some Jazz music research. In the entry here, no mention is made of the Grammy, and it says "received another Tony." It would seem to be a simple edit to add, "Tony, and a Grammy award for Grammy Award for Best Musical Theater Album or similar, I wanted to check before making the change.Cathcam (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The Grammy is noted in the Awards and legacy section. It could use a cite. Is it worth mentioning twice? Barte (talk) 22:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Good catch, not sure how I missed that. I'll add it to the descriptive in this sections with a ref, and then use the same ref for the awards section.--Cathcam (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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