Talk:Frank Russell Company

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Corporate nepotism
This entry reads like a corporate sales brochure and is therefore likely written by the company that is the subject of the article. If this is true, the objectiveness of the information comes into question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.154.6 (talk) 09:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Requesting edits to factual inaccuracies on the Russell Investments Wikipedia page
- Now that Russell has been split into LSEG Russell (Russell Indexes) and the investment division retains the name Russell Investments under new owner TA Associates, both this page and the Russell Indexes page need updating. That's best done by a third-party who is not affiliated with Russell.

- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.132.94.7 (talk) 23:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC) The current Russell Investments page has a number of factual inaccuracies and unverified claims. The page has been identified as requiring cleanup and additional citations. I am requesting help from an approved editor to review the page and adjust inaccuracies. Specifically - the following:


 * AUM is currently cited as $237.3 billion as of 6/30/2013
 * Employees currently cited as 2,000
 * AUM is actually $256.7 billion as of 12/31/13
 * Russell currently has approximately 1,800 employees worldwide
 * ✅ I corrected in the infobox and removed the redundant information in the article-body.CorporateM (Talk) 22:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * The current products and services section is inaccurate and does not reflect how Russell is organized or delivers its services. A more accurate way to represent its products and services would be via the following three categories

✅ I re-wrote it substantially so that it was more concise and had a different tone. We don't need to list every service individually. If I introduced an error, please let me know. CorporateM (Talk) 22:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Institutional investment services Russell works with institutional clients worldwide such as pension funds, non-profits, healthcare systems and defined contribution plans. Services include fiduciary solutions products/investment outsourcing; investment management; consulting and investment advice; and implementation services.
 * 2) Advisor-sold investment services Russell’s investment solutions are available to individual investors when they work with an advisor from one of Russell’s distribution partners. Russell works with more than 580 distribution partners globally, including banks, independent broker/dealers, insurance companies, wirehouses and Registered Investment Advisors (RIAs).
 * 3) Russell Indexes Russell U.S. Indexes have $4.1 trillion in assets benchmarked to them, including more than $80 billion in ETF assets that are linked to Russell’s Indexes.

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The list of global offices is missing several locations, namely:

Amsterdam, Beijing, Chicago, San Diego, Milwaukee, Edinburgh


 * We don't need to list all their locations, just HQ usually CorporateM (Talk) 22:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * (incorrect text) Russell's institutional clients include retirement plans, endowments, foundations and investment plans of all types.
 * (suggested correct text) Russell's institutional clients include pension funds, non-profits, healthcare systems and defined contribution plans


 * (incorrect text) Individual investors have access to Russell's services through a network that includes banks, brokers, insurance companies and independent investment advisors.
 * (suggested correct text) Individual investors have access to Russell's services through its distribution relationships with banks, brokers, insurance companies and independent investment advisors.


 * (incorrect text) Russell has more than 2,000 associates in more than 20 offices around the world and is the creator of the Russell Indexes
 * (suggested correct text) Approximately 1,800 associates in 21 offices worldwide
 * ✅ I have taken a shot at it. The employee count is corrected in the infobox and no longer stated redundantly in the article-body. As above, please let me know if I have introduced an error.CorporateM (Talk) 22:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Kosterberg (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Split
This wiki article was written in a terrible form. The former Russell group, was headed by Frank Russell Company instead of Russell Investments. London Stock Exchange Group acquired Frank Russell Company instead of Russell Investments in 2014. And then LSEG sold the second-tier subsidiary Russell Investments instead of Frank Russell Company. Based on the timeline and content, most of the content was about Frank Russell Company. However, it seem more appropriate to split the article into Frank Russell Company and Russell Investments. The former covered the combined business and the latter covered the current Russell group. The index provider business of Russell, the current content should be placed in FTSE Russell, however. Matthew hk (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft article for Russell Investments
Hello! On behalf of Russell Investments via Edelman, and as part of my work with Beutler Ink, I've been working to draft a standalone Wikipedia article specific to Russell Investments. I agree with User:Matthew hk's assessment entirely – the current Frank Russell Company article is a mess, and there should be separate pages for Frank Russell Company and Russell Investments. I've saved a draft article for review here: User:Inkian Jason/Russell Investments.

Given my conflict of interest, I will not publish the article to the main space and ask independent reviewers to check the draft for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability. I've used only Wikipedia-appropriate sourcing, and Russell Investments has provided feedback during this process to ensure the article's accuracy. I don't think any of the content is particularly controversial, but I'd be more than happy to address any questions or concerns that may arise during the review process.

As for the Frank Russell Company page, I think the Russell Investments infobox should be removed, and the content should be trimmed down to a stub. The current content is highly problematic (unsourced or poorly sourced, poorly written, etc.); cutting down the text would also allow removal of the other tags. I'm certainly open to others' ideas for addressing the Frank Russell Company article, but cleaning the slate would at least address the tags and set the page up for expansion.

Given your familiarity with these companies, and since you proposed the split back in March 2019, I'm hoping you might be willing to review the draft and copy the markup over to Russell Investments (which is currently a redirect page). I think you'll find this is a solid first step at splitting, and I'd be happy to add a similar COI template to Talk:Russell Investments if a separate page is created. Again, my primary goals here are to create a standalone page for Russell Investments, as you've proposed, and to trim down this page to an appropriate stub in an effort to avoid confusion and encourage future expansion.

Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not that familiar with the company, my "knowledge" on the company is entirely based on google search result (and selectively reading some result that were from reliable newspaper), which may have some bias since many reliable sources are gated from paywall or did not have digital edition . As far as wikipedia concerned, the new article should have content that at first appeared at secondary reliable source: US local newspaper that Russell was based on; Financial Times, WSJ, NYT, etc. Primary source may be as supplementary citation. For avoiding promotional tone, hard to explain.


 * For the draft, you can move to draftspace (start with "Draft:") and someone from the article creation team would review it, and move to relevant article title if necessary Matthew hk (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback. I wanted to start with you, being the editor who added the tag(s) and started the move discussion below, but I'm happy to solicit feedback from others as well. If I understand correctly that you're not interested in reviewing the new draft, would you still be willing to discuss how best to improve this page to resolve the tags you added last year? I'm happy to break down my suggestion above into specific requests if that'd be easier.


 * I see you're an active editor who has made some edits to this page before. Would you be interested in taking a look at the draft article and copying over to Russell Investments appropriately for the reasons I've outlined above? Inkian Jason (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to implement this request if there are no objections
Inkian Jason left a note on my Talk page about this open request. I've looked at his proposed draft and consider it to be superior to the current article. As this has been open for more than a week now without objections, I'm going to implement it at EOW assuming no final objections are raised here. Chetsford (talk) 23:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As there have been no objections, I'm implementing the rewrite. Chetsford (talk) 19:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping. Can one of you please move this page to Russell Investments? The article is about Russell Investments, not Frank Russell Company, as the title suggests. Matthew hk had proposed a split, so I'm not sure if Frank Russell Company should be kept as a stub? I can submit a move request if needed. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand now. I've moved it and left a stub here, which does seem to be the reasonable solution. I obliterated the timeline since it was 80% unsourced but don't object if anyone wants to restore it. Chetsford (talk) 22:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help. I've added a COI disclosure template to Talk:Russell Investments as well. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 18 March 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   16:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Russell Investments → Frank Russell Company – As the step 1 of the proposed split (see above thread). This article was mostly about "Frank Russell Company", the central company of the former Russell group, not the subsidiary Russell Investments. Thus the article title should reflect this first to retain the purpose of this wiki article as an article for a company/group before 2015 split. LSEG only sold Russell Investments the second-tier subsidiary, not the subsidiary Frank Russell Company and all its subsidiaries. (see press release: "Frank Russell Company's asset management business ('Russell Investments')") The index provider "Russell" was "merged" or now sharing a trading name FTSE Russell with FTSE Group, thus future and current event of Russell as indexer should go to FTSE Russell. Matthew hk (talk) 21:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. KCVelaga (talk) 05:24, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. Sensible explanation. bd2412  T 16:53, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.