Talk:Frank Rutter

Hyphenated words
Four hyphenated words have been turned into compound words with the explanation "undo archaic hyphenation practice". This article is UK English, so should follow current UK practice. I have restored hypenation on that basis. Below are search results for usage in two mainstream UK papers: "Co-founded" should be used.
 * co-founded
 * 701 in The Daily Telegraph,
 * 1,410 in The Guardian.
 * cofounded
 * 1 in The Daily Telegraph.
 * 18 in The Guardian.

"Short-lived" should be used.
 * short-lived
 * 2,670 in The Daily Telegraph,
 * 18,600 in The Guardian.
 * shortlived
 * 164 in The Daily Telegraph.
 * 434 in The Guardian.

"Inter-war" should be used. It is the majority usage and follows results of other words above (third opinion of The Independent called in).
 * inter-war
 * 248 in The Daily Telegraph.
 * 217 in The Guardian.
 * 178 in The Independent.
 * interwar
 * 36 in The Daily Telegraph.
 * 266 in The Guardian.
 * 57 in The Independent.


 * non-juried and nonjuried
 * These terms produce no results at all, so hypenation restored on the basis of results above and for consistency.

 Ty  04:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good work Ty and I approve of what you are saying here. There must be a MoS page on this somewhere. --John (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Founding of the French Impressionist Fund
This passage has been deleted because "Rutter's founding of the fund did not follow Durand-Ruel's show":
 * Nevertheless, following the Impressionist exhibition staged in 1905 by Durand-Ruel in the Grafton Galleries
 * The FIF was founded in 1905 according to the two sources, Taylor and Who Was Who. Taylor says that "in the wake" of Durand-Ruel's show in 1905, Rutter organised the public subscription and bought the Boudin. Where is the source for saying that he founded the FIF before D-R's show? Just to complicate things, ODNB says, "When the French art dealers Durand-Ruel staged a superb impressionist exhibition in London in 1905, Rutter initiated a Sunday Times fund to buy for the National Gallery." I presume the "Sunday Times fund" is one and the same with the FIF. Unfortunately, the sources I have found either use the first term or the second, without making the relationship between them explicit.  Ty  05:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rutter launched his appeals for donations early into the two month exhibition at the Grafton Galleries. Consult Kate Flint, ed., 1984, The Impressionists in England : the critical reception. This is a collection of documents including cuttings, book passages, etc. The first reviews of the exhibition to be quoted in Flint are dated 17 Jan. (p. 203, if I remember correctly; I looked at the book yesterday -- the book, not the Google Books preview). Rutter, referring to the exhibition, appealed for donations in his Sunday Times column on 22 Jan and 29 Jan. (pp. 214-218). In those appeals, he did not use the expression "French Impressionist fund", nor did he say, "I am setting up a fund". Google Books displays the column of 29 Jan. Numerous search engine hits agree D-R's show took place January to February. Obviously it was being organi(z)ed in 1904. It is likely Rutter was advised of the show weeks in advance. It is conceivable that he conceived of the fund appeal during 1904 and independently of any awareness of the upcoming D-R show. But the evidence I have alluded to most strongly supports the interpretation that his appeals of 22 Jan and 29 Jan were inspired by the mass exhibit at the Grafton Galleries, which opened sometime between 1-16 Jan. Hurmata (talk) 06:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we agree. The D-R show opens; then the the appeal is launched. I wasn't sure of the time lag involved, but it seems we're talking about only a week between the two and while the show was still running, which I didn't realise: I was using a source which said "in the wake of", which I paraphrased as "following". I have reworded, but this can be made more explicit. I have had quite a lot of trouble with certain dates and facts, which are given differently in different books on several matters. 1904 was the date of the fund starting in the first source I used (another gives 1906), but most sources give 1905, which I am satisfied is correct. I've just searched The Times online archive and his obituary says that he did "open a subscription in The Sunday Times known as the French Impressionist Fund" and it was this fund that gave the Boudin to the National Gallery. (The Times, Monday, Apr 19, 1937; pg. 16; Issue 47662; col B) Oh, D-R opened on 16 January, according to a classified ad in The Times of 14 January 1905.  Ty  12:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In summary: during the exhibition, not after. Hurmata (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added "the opening of..." I hope this clarifies.  Ty  04:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Admiralty
Does anyone have any more detail on his service at the admiralty in WWI? Was he commissioned in the Royal Navy? Kernel Saunters (talk) 09:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There's his autobiography, Art in my time Hurmata (talk) 11:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Who Was Who says he was "AAO Admiralty, 1917–19", but I can't find out what AAO means.  Ty  12:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have come up empty too. I got hold of his memoir, Since I was twenty-five (1927), which is almost entirely about the period 1901-1914, and in the Epilogue, he wrote "I was an A.A.O. at the Admiralty". I have not yet found any British Navy "A.A.O." Google. Hurmata (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly a private joke and not official nomenclature.  Ty  22:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Does the book have a photo of Rutter in it? I have so far been unable to find one.  Ty  00:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, no photos. Hurmata (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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