Talk:Frank Tanana/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 23:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria
1. Prose ✅

2. Verifiability ✅

3. Depth of Coverage ✅

4. Neutral ✅

5. Stable ✅

6. Illustrations ✅ - AGF for uploader on details of licensing.

7. Miscellaneous ✅

Comments
1.
 * It's common in baseball articles to list the player's nationality in the first sentence. For instance, "Alex Gordon is an American professional baseball left fielder ..."
 * "From 1973 to 1993, he pitched for six teams" - Maybe change this to something along the lines of "During a career that stretched from 1973 to 1993, he pitched for six Major League teams" to indicate this is only referring to the major league portion of his career.
 * I'd recommend naming the teams (Mets and Yankees), most readers who aren't baseball fans won't know who the two New York teams are.
 * "serve in ministry" - Possibly change to "in the ministry" although that does give some connotations of preaching. I think being a church elder would be enough to consider it as the ministry, though.
 * How about a piped link for bible studies to Bible study (Christianity) and maybe link marriage counselling.
 * "Rookie Idaho Falls Angels" - Is there a way to reorder this so that Rookie League can be linked without creating a back-to-back MOS:SEAOFBLUE.
 * "After losing his 19th game September 22, 1974" --> " ... game on September 22 ..."
 * Mickey Lolich is a duplink
 * Wikilink struck out in the lead
 * "he went 4-10 with the" in the lead - You're gonna want to link win-loss record (pitching) to this somehow. This is something I'm going to have to pay close attention to on this review: I know baseball terminology, but we can't assume most readers will
 * rotation in the lead needs linked to starting rotation
 * "Tanana only lasted four innings" - Innings should be linked to whatever the baseball article for innings is (there's also innings in cricket)
 * " allowing just two hits" - Link to whatever the hits article for baseball is. It generally has to be assumed that the reader has basically no previous knowledge of baseball
 * "giving up four runs" - Wikilink the runs article for baseball
 * "pinch-hitter Doug Howard" - Wiklink pinch-hitter
 * "as four other pitches" - Should be pitchers, I believe
 * " of a doubleheader" - Wikilink doubleheader
 * Consider linking some of the years to the appropriate MLB year article at the first mention
 * I'm pretty sure in the past, I've had other reviewers say not to do this (for whatever reason). If you'd still prefer it, though, I'd be happy to put it in. Let me know. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, then I guess not then. I'm fine without that.
 * "Tanana made the All-Star Game" - Maybe change this to "made the All-Star team". It's commonly phrased like this colloquially, but you make a team, not a game.
 * "Sports Illustrated forecast" --> "Sports Illustrated forecasted"
 * "and the Angels had to shut him down for the rest of the year after September 5." - Consider changing this to "for the rest of the year on September 5." The after September 5 is already implied by the shutting down for the rest of the year.
 * I'd rather leave it at "after" because, technically, he did pitch September 5 - it was after that day that he stopped making appearances for the Angels that season. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:57, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Yeah, if that's the case, then leave it as is.
 * "Baltimore Orioles, limiting the team from Maryland" - "team from Maryland" feels a little clunky. Maybe rephrase?  Also, people might not know that Baltimore is in Maryland if they're from not in the States.
 * "against the Cleveland Indians on October 3 in his last start of the year (at Cleveland Stadium, not Fenway)" - This can be tightened up a little to state that the game was simply at Cleveland and thus remove the paranthetical aside if desired.
 * The reason this parenthetical is in there is that I've earlier mentioned he did not pitch well at Fenway Park; thus, this emphasizes to the reader that even though he did well in his final start, the start was not at the Red Sox' stadium. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * True. I'm fine with that.
 * "4.21, only 0.21" - Either the math or the numbers are off. Earlier, you stated that he had a 4.01 the year before compared to the 4.21
 * Math is off-my bad. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 13:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "for a Ranger team" - Should this be "for a Rangers team"?
 * "last place in their division." - The team's the object here, as a singular unit, so it should be in its division.
 * Wikilink starting pitchers in the lead, and I'd recommend a piped link to that article at the first usage of start in the baseball sense in the prose.
 * Wikilink arbitration
 * "over Texas August 16." --> "over Texas on August 16"
 * Wikilink free agency to free agent in the Boston Red Sox section
 * "He is one of only 23 major league pitchers to have struck out at least 2,700 batters in his career" - This is perfectly fine right now, but this'll be need to be watched for updates - Max Scherzer is closing in on Tanana.
 * Mickey Lolich is a duplink

2.
 * Tanana's last major league appearance isn't cited by date in the text or in the infobox. I'd recommend adding the exact date with a citation to the applicable section in the text.
 * Career ERA isn't cited anywhere
 * "As it turned out, '76 would be the first of four straight Opening Day starts for Tanana.[22][23][24][25]" - Find a source that specifically mentions this. Using four straight box scores violates WP:SYNTH.
 * I think you might be misreading WP:SYNTH. I'm not using the multiple sources to reach a conclusion, just to state a fact. The examples given on WP:SYNTH show two facts being presented next to each other, creating an implication - it is implied in the example that the creation of the United Nations has led to 160 wars throughout the world. Here, I'm just using the sources to show that Tanana made four Opening Day starts in a row. That's an undeniable fact, not a scholastic assertion. If you're still concerned about it, though, I could redo the article to just mention at the beginning of each season from 1976 to 1979 that Tanana was the Opening Day starter. 15:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind--I found a source that has all four. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 15:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ref 98 - The church board of elders - It looks like the church has updated their website since the ref was used. It takes me to a Contact Us page not the Leadership and Staff page, and there's nothing about the board of directors that I can find.
 * No, it was my error-I linked the wrong page for some reason. It should be fixed now, though I think you still need to click "Elders" once the page comes up.Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, works now.
 * All of the references are from reliable sources, and a spot check showed functioning refs that supported the specific detail cited, except for one instance, a newly redesigned website.

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 * Image of Tanana in the Angels section is tagged as public domain through published between 1925 and 1977 with no copyright notice. Research on the image confirms is from 1977 so it meets the time span for the tagging.  Appears to be from a set of promotional cards made by Hostess.  I can't confirm or disprove that it was issued without a copyright notice, so I'll AGF on that part.  The other image licensing is good.

7.
 * This is just an irrelevant comment, but I noticed that Tanana's childhood favorite Lolich was one of the players who prevented him from leading the league in losses.

I'm going to do this a couple sections at a time, I've fairly busy in real life. I try to get this all wrapped up in the next couple days. Hog Farm (talk) 21:56, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Made changes mentioned thus far. I know what you mean; I'm busy in real life too. I appreciate you taking the time for the review! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, all issues addressed. This one's ready to promote now.  Good job getting this up from start to GA-class, it's a long one. Hog Farm (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)