Talk:Frank Vandenbroucke (cyclist)

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Francisco del Ponte" (an Italianized version of his name) That's incorrect. The name is Francesco del Ponte but the italianized version of his name of VDB would be Francesco del Pantalone —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * I've modified the "del Ponte" comment. You should remember to sign your posts though. --Armchair ninja 13:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That is an utter lie. Del Ponte is the correct italianisation. Leptictidium (mammal talk!) 23:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In fact it's not a lie because it all depends on how you interpret Vandebroucke's name. "Van de" ("van den" in pre-reform spelling) means "of the" or "from the". There's no word "broucke" in Dutch that I know of but, given that the "n" of Dutch plurals is often dropped in speech, "broucke" sounds like both "bruggen" (bridges) and "broeken" (trousers). "Trousers" is just about possible because the Dutch - Belgium was part of Holland at the time - were the last people in Europe to have surnames. It was Napoleon who insisted they did and the Dutch, thinking neither he or surnames would be around for long, often gave themselves silly names that a Frenchman wouldn't understand. Or names like Jan Janssen (John son of John) that ridiculed the idea another way. The fact that "broeken" could have been corrupted to "broucke" is quite reasonable given the illiteracy of earlier generations and the suppression of Dutch as a language when Belgium separated from Holland. If Vandenbroucke translated his name as Bridges, it shows which version he, not unreasonably, prefers! Les woodland (talk) 09:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Actually, the "broucke" in Vandenbroucke's name comes from the dutch word "broek" that means "marsh" or "morass" or "swamp". Also see the origin of the city name Brussels ("Broeksel"). So a correct translation of his family name would have been something like "dalla Palude". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.134.162.141 (talk) 16:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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