Talk:Frank Vogel

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 * Attempted to fix sourcing for http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/7918758/2012-nba-playoffs-indiana-pacers-coach-frank-vogel-says-miami-heat-biggest-floppers-league

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Lock for vandal
Dude just got a new job. Vandals incoming. Lock please? Ketlag 23:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We will see what happens. --rogerd (talk) 02:45, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What happened was there was a ton of vandalism and I already protected the page hours ago. :) --Chris (talk) 03:20, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Awkward lede
"Frank Paul Vogel is an American professional basketball coach who is the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers of the National Basketball Association (NBA)" is one of the most awkwardly-constructed sentences I've seen. Where was this "standard formation" decided? "... is a coach who is the head coach ..." is just terrible to read. Surely we can come up with a better way to word this. --Chris (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Just look through all other NBA coaches' pages. In addition, might give you the answer why such formation is used since he was the person that made the standardization on coaches' pages. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't take full credit (or blame). What I do remember doing is changing former leads like "is an American professional basketball coach and the current head coach of the ..." to "is an American professional basketball coach who is the head coach of the ..." "Current" is often redundant, such as there, so I tweaked it. I'm not tied to repeating "coach" in the opening sentence, but I dont see merely breaking the sentence into two short sentences as an improvement. If we open with "is an American basketball assistant coach for ...", it might slight them if they were a head coach before. Another thing to keep in mind, it's important to note former players in the opening sentence too, as many current head coaches are as notable for theit playing career: "is an American professional basketball coach and former player who is the head coach of the ..." Ideas?—Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I did not say that you are responsible for that formation. I only pointed you to this discussion (or whatever this is), because I remember seeing you changing them and nobody had a problem with it until now. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information, that does help me understand. I have some suggestions but haven't had time lately to sit down and refine them. Just wanted to let you know that I do intend to come back to this and I'm not trying to whine without making suggestions. --Chris (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)