Talk:Frankel (horse)

How to do it
I think this article and Shackleford are the best ones I've read on horses still in training.Tigerboy1966 (talk) 00:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Colt
A four-year-old male racehorse is a colt, but no-one talks about "a colt racehorse".  Tigerboy1966  06:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not according to the OED (and, presumably on the basis of that tome, our article on the subject): a colt is below the age of four. Kevin McE (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Then OED is wrong. Lexicographers can't always be trusted on equine matters: Dr Johnson defined the pastern as "the knee of a horse". I was actually taking issue with the use of colt as an adjective.  Tigerboy1966   10:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry: you can't just change the definition of a word against the authority of the most respected lexicographical source in the language. If horse racing chooses to apply a different definition, that should be thoroughly sourced and explained as an exception in the target article.  Kevin McE (talk) 11:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reliable ≠ infallible. Three centuries of usage vs. one inaccurate definition is no contest. Take it to the project page if you like.  Tigerboy1966   11:19, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reliable is the standard for Wikipedia. Not only OED, but also Merriam Webster, Collins, Websters, and Saunder's Veterinary Dictionary.  Webster's (but only Webster's) notes a different definition for thoroughbreds, so I won't pursue it here, but the tone of your reply stinks.  Kevin McE (talk) 11:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's what two of the sources actually say: "A young entire male horse up to 4 years of age" Saunder's Veterinary Dictionary. "a young male horse, donkey, etc.; specif., a thoroughbred four years of age or under or a standardbred three years of age" Webster's.  Tigerboy1966  11:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely: up to, not up to and including. And I've already pointed out the exception that ONE dictionary allows, so why the hell are you emboldening it to me? Kevin McE (talk) 11:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The page is about a thoroughbred, so it's relevant. I have bolded the sections so that any editor (not just you) can draw their own conclusions about how you are representing the sources.  Tigerboy1966  12:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Its relevant according to one dictionary, not according to most. Kevin McE (talk) 12:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's relevant because it specifically and unambiguously states that a four-year-old Thoroughbred is called a colt- are you now saying that it is not a reliable source?  Tigerboy1966   13:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Just checked the news. It appears that the BBC, ITV, ABC, Los Angeles Times, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph, Sydney Morning Herald and every other major news source in the English speaking world thinks that a four-year-old male Thoroughbred is called a colt.  Tigerboy1966  13:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

147
I have added the word "provisional". The source does not make it clear how timeform ratings work. The ratings move up and down before becoming an "official" rating at the end of the year. SB's 145 was an end of year rating. Frankel's 147 is subject to revision (fwiw, which isnt much, I rated the QA win at 148).  Tigerboy1966  10:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomenclature
I would argue that it's correct to refer to someone with a knighthood as "Sir Henry" rather than "Cecil", but it's not something that I feel strongly enough to change again. JH (talk page) 08:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a tricky one. You would formally address him as "Sir Henry", ceratainly. But I'm sure there is something in the Manual of Style about not using formal titles in the body of an article. I notice that in articles on royalty they are just called, for example "George" rather than George III, or King George. Must check.  Tigerboy1966   09:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Worth reading
Juddmonte have their own website for Frankel, and it now includes a PDF facsimile of the issue of the Racing Post for the day following his International win here. It's well worth reading. JH (talk page) 20:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Winnings
It's a pity that QIPCO couldn't have raised prize money for the Champion Stakes by a couple of quid, to get Frankel's career earnings up to a nice round three million. JH (talk page) 17:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

First season crop
His first seasons 2yo's stats are unbelievable up to now, anyone going to write about it I'm planning to do it at end of season but I believe from his 8 individual runners all of them won except one, so pretty unprecedented start for any sire in history, lets see if it continues with victories in G1s. Today's Senator looked like a chase type, a boat with speed :-) Maok3 (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I was looking at this on Juddmonte's website the other day, after Fair Eva landed his first pattern winner and found it amazing. As of today it stands at 8 winners from 11 runners which is outstanding. No plans to write anything myself and I think the end of season would be a good place to take a look back at his first crop. Maybe worth noting his first winner, first group winner, first G1 winner when it happens, as an interim update though. Like the description of Senator!! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * List of his 2016 runners here --Bcp67 (talk) 20:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice article on "Bobby" at stud here. Some good quotes if want to add to sire section. Jlvsclrk (talk) 04:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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