Talk:Franklin Township, Portage County, Ohio

Settlement Infobox
All of the changes I had made to the infobox here are within the bounds of the template as used by many other articles, meaning they can be used here. There is no "absolute" use of the infobox and it can have variations. As for the specific elements: --JonRidinger (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer to use the breaks ("br") on the list of trustees because it looks better to have them listed vertically in a vertically-oriented box than a standard list using commas.
 * The name of the article is "Franklin Township, Portage County, Ohio," but not the name of the township. The name of the township is "Franklin Township" so only that should be at the top of the infobox.  The "Portage County, Ohio" part is added  for the article's sake to separate it from other Franklin Townships in Ohio and elsewhere.  The infobox header doesn't have to match the article title especially when the article title has additional words in it to differentiate places and things of the same name.
 * This township (as well as all townships in Ohio) is both a Civil township and a survey township. Though I think it isn't bad to have both (it was first a survey township before it was a civil one), the form of government is a civil township, so that's what should probably stay as the "Settlement type."
 * As far as the maps, I don't recall an edict that we have to use the "dot on" maps, epsecially since the map for Franklin Township is the "dot on Kent" map anyway. The pushpin maps are an available option and are more precise in my opinion and look better.
 * Let me address your statements out of order:
 * The survey township is altogether incorrect. Not all townships statewide are survey townships — look at Washington Township, Logan County, Ohio for an example.  Moreover, survey townships are numbered and lettered, rather than named.
 * The only other thing that comes in multiples in these infoboxes, although not of course for townships, is counties — all multicounty communities nationwide have the counties listed with commas. No reason that this should be different.
 * Nationwide, we use the name of the community and its statename, and county name where necessary, in the official line. No reason that this one should be any different.
 * The townships wikiproject, now converted into a task force for the state wikiproject, said that a map other than the county map (for ones such as Logan County townships) or the township-specific map (for ones such as this) should be a dotmap for a community in the township. Nyttend (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I obviously disagree with some of the taskforce's ideas, hence I joined it. My understanding of taskforces is to establish some sort of general uniformity and guidelines, but not absolute rules and formats that must be adhered to with no deviation.  And from reading the taskforce page, it didn't come across that all township pages had to use specific formats or images.  Let's also not forget that this page and those like it are not the domain just of Wikiproject Ohio.  Wikiproject Cities has its own guidelines and suggestions which obviously conflict somewhat with the Township Taskforce.
 * First, after using both types of maps, using the "pushpin" map is a far clearer and visually appealing map because of more contrasting colors and the option to have the label. The small map of the US is also helpful for readers who may not be familiar with where Ohio is in the US.
 * Second, while perhaps I erred that ALL Ohio townships were first survey townships before they were civil townships, for the Western Reserve, all were survey townships numbered by town and range as I'm sure you know (as seen here). Franklin Township was Town 3, Range 9 of the Western Reserve for example.  Thus, Franklin Township and other Western Reserve townships which became civil townships were laid over corresponding survey townships.  But like I said, the government is a civil township so that's the main important thing, but I do think to be most accurate, the settlement type should read "Civil township" since it directs there anyway rather than just "township".
 * We use the name of the community with its state name (and county name) when there is more than one community of the same name in the same state or country. And as far as I've understood that, it's for the purpose of the article title, but not necessarily the infobox title.  It seems redundant to place "Franklin Township, Portage County, Ohio" in the infobox title when it's clearly visible in the article title and it's obviously not the "official" name of the township or used by anything beyond the Wikipedia article.  That's why I think it is best to utilize the feature of the template to have the "name" and the "official name" since it is available.
 * --JonRidinger (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Establishment
1815 is the date of the first elections, so while it is one of the establishment dates, the township itself was already a political division of each county it was a part of. 1798 is when it was purchased and named, 1802 it was surveyed into lots and much of the original Trumbull County was put under the name "Franklin Township", 1805 is the first settlers (the year Kent uses for its "established" date, not the 1867 incorporation), and 1815 is the formation of the government (akin to incorporation for a city or village). The intro says the government structure (township trustees) was established in 1815. This is also differentiated in the infobox with "Named" (1798), "Organized" (1802), and "First election" (1815). Can there only be one "establishment" category? I think each one is a form of "establishment", but in terms of the "beginnings" of the township, 1815 is much more a formality than the beginnings...legal documents use the name "Franklin Township" long before 1815. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "Can there only be one 'establishment' category?" No.  Because there are multiple kinds of establishment, it's appropriate to have multiple establishment categories.  It's quite common for establishment categories to reflect the year in which the government was established; see Creola, Louisiana and Schaumburg, Illinois for a couple examples.  I'm confused, however, by some of what you say — if legal documents refer to it long before 1815, what was it before then?  Something similar to a Maine plantation?  Nyttend (talk) 13:06, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying about multiple categories. Makes sense to me, but it was previously changed by another editor (or bot?) rather than added, so I was wondering if there was some guideline to only have one "established" category.  Anyway, prior to 1815, it was a subdivision of the county (Trumbull first, then Portage), but had no elected government.  The 1888 History of Portage County, Ohio referenced in this article states that the name "Franklin Township" applied to a large portion of Trumbull County in 1802 and at the formation of Portage County in 1808 covered the area that would become present-day Franklin and 4 or 5 other townships.  It states "Franklin was the first civil organization effected in what is now Portage County, after the admission of Ohio in 1802, it being formed the same year." (p. 431...it uses 1802 as the formation of Ohio, citing the definition of its limits in April and the constitution of Ohio in November, not March 1, 1803, which is when the state legislature first met)  Apparently, it was an administrative thing.  Seems as though as each new township was carved off of Franklin, they would form a government, but Franklin did not hold its own elections until it had been reduced to the original survey township.  Page 435 states the township was "organized" in 1815.  --JonRidinger (talk) 16:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

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