Talk:Frano Supilo

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Could someone rewrite this article? It calls Frano a Prophet and compares him with Macchiavelli's citations, which is plainly unencyclopedic - and is, by the way, a direct translation of the source(s). --PaxEquilibrium 19:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am working on the article, it was written by someone translating the Croatian version, but without a mastery of English. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Death
This has been challenged by another editor so it is best to remain here until confirmed: "He had a nervous breakdown and died in a mental hospital in London shortly after, at the age of 47." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You need a citation for that. Now you just have that he died in England. Tnx.
 * And pleas stop making a mess of this article. Tnx. --Tuvixer (talk) 12:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Unreferenced
I have reverted the removal of the fact tags to show what facts are unreferenced, each one can be removed as that fact is sourced to a reference. If you want to remove them, first do the research, and then add a reference, then you can remove the "citation needed" tags. I am removing them, one by one as I find a reference for each one. You can see that I have referenced his death and the lede to an encyclopedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You understand that the source you used is not valid? This is English Wikipedia and you need to find a book or a valid article. Please show good faith and revert the edits that you have made, and remove the "citation needed" tags. Please. You can't change the article without a consensus, that is how Wikipedia works. Tnx. --Tuvixer (talk) 16:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, you can't make up Wikipedia rules. If you really believe that there is a rule demanding that I only use an English reference, find that rule and link to it, and quote me the relevant passage. All I did was migrate the reference from the Croatian article. I will not remove the "citation needed" tags, that is why we have them. You were the first to point out that the article needed references and you added the first "citation needed" tag. You wrote: "You can't change the article without a consensus, that is how Wikipedia works", again sorry, that is not how Wikipedia works. If you think the reference is ambiguous, or the reference is wrong, find a better reference. Unreferenced material will be tagged, and then removed. I already found a mistake in the article, he did not found Crvena Hrvatska. I am removing the citation-needed tags as I add references and as I correct the errors and remove the original research. Instead of reverting my addition of the "citation needed" tags, why don't you do some research and add reference. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Please stop this. Obviously you do not know anything about Supilo. I live in Rijeka and I read Novi List every day so please stop editing this article. Please. The article is just fine as it was written before you started making changes. Do not be mean and show good faith. You do not have the consensus. stop editing the article and start to discuss your problems here on the talk page. Show good faith and revert your edits and let start to talk, ok? --Tuvixer (talk) 21:46, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I know nothing about Supilo, but I know a lot about the English Wikipedia. If you want to write about what YOU KNOW, get a blog. Wikipedia is about what reliable secondary and tertiary sources know about the subject. You said: "The article [was] just fine as it was written before you started making changes." No, there was a single reference supporting the fact that he worked in agriculture, and as I pointed out a glaring error that he founded Crvena Hrvatska. The reference I found says that he was "in a subordinate position on the staff of the Crvena Hrvatska." You yourself questioned that he died in an insane asylum, which is from the article before I began editing it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:02, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The source is wrong. He founded Crvena Hrvatska. Please, you said that you do not know anything about him. I know almost everything. Please revert your edits, and I will find time to find all sources for the original text, ok? Because you added information that is incorrect, like that he was the editor of Novi List, but in fact he founded Novi List, and so on. Please revert your edits, and I will find sources for the original text, ok? :) --Tuvixer (talk) 09:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not for what you know to be true, it is for what information can be verified from reliable secondary sources. If sources in English were available you would have posted them already, I have already used as many as I could find. You have spent time arguing that the original unreferenced article is full of the truth, but you have not added a single citation to the article. All you did was add a citation-needed tag to one sentence that you disagreed with. If you thought that one unflattering sentence from the original article, and the Croatian version, was 100% wrong, why do you think all the other unreferenced material is correct?


 * I don't have time right now but I said that I will find time in next days to find the references so that you stop changing the article and revert it to its original form, ok? I will find time and find the sources. Please stop this ok? :) --Tuvixer (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You have plenty of time to complain in writing here. No, I will not revert my edits, please reread all that I have written previously, and reread the rules of Wikipedia so that you do not confuse them with how you think Wikipedia works. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Original research
This is beautifully written, but is original research: "Along with Stjepan Radić, Frano Supilo seems to be the greatest tragic figure of modern Croatian politics. Machiavelli once said that armed prophets succeed, while the unarmed ones fail. This is true for Supilo: as the representative of the Croatian people in dark and insecure times, this unarmed prophet failed and was destroyed."

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