Talk:Franz Josef Strauss/Archive 3

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I chaneged the spelling of his name to the correct form. The wrong spelling is now in brakets. And he was born as "Franz Strauß", as you can see in his birth documents. I repaired this as well. I leaved the rest of the wrong spelling since you guys can´t cope with the complexity of German language. ;) Weissbier (talk) 10:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He is well known within the English language as Strauss. This was the consensus position and I have reverted. Other languages are free to deviate from native spellings. To give you some examples, it is Elizabeth II (in English) not Elisabeth II (as it is in German). Annother example would be the city that the Germans still call Koënigsberg but which is now known as the transliterated Russian Kaliningrad (though obviously a thing, not a person). Narson (talk) 11:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But "Franz Strauss" isn´t written in his passport. This is just wrong. Weissbier (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it would be incorrect in German. We name articles by their common name in English, not by German passports. As I mentioned before, minor variations in spelling do sometimes occur when names are shifted into other languages (See the Elizabeth II -> Elisabeth II example above). Narson (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

But you understand that most people will consider this as lèse-majesté or even blasphemy. Especially in Bavaria. Weissbier (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Blasphemy? If their religion is naming Franz Josef Strauss, I'd suggest they just get out more ;) Narson (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Their religion is naming Franz Josef Strauß, you heretic! ;-) --Cyfal (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The correct name ist Franz Josef Strauß with an ß and I think the article should not have been moved to "Strauss". It was mentioned that in several English sources the name has been spelled as "Strauss" but that's just because most English-speaking people are unommon with the German ligature "ß". As far as I know, in most Wikipedia articles about people, the "native" name is used so the article should have remained at "Franz Josef Strauß" with a "ß"! --Krawunsel (talk) 20:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Since "ß" is a letter of the Latin alphabet, though not used in English, there is no reason to misspell his name using "ss". Especially, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia used by people to look something up, e.g. the proper spelling, we should use his correct name. "Strauss" is only a stopgap used in cases where no "ß" is available. The same holds true for Gerhard Schröder, who is not spelled "Schroeder" by Wikipedia, though some media (even BBC) often spell him with "oe". However, this is still sloppy, but not English. 92.231.221.198 (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of reason to spell his name with an "ss" on this English Wikipedia, namely, that's what English users overwhelmingly and verifiably use in reliable sources. During his lifetime, he even published in English under the name Strauss.  See extensive list below:

Evidence
Citations of English language works which use Strauss:
 * Article in International Affairs by "Dr Franz Josef Strauss", 1965
 * Citations from Journal of Cold War Studies (2005) and The English Historical Review (2002)
 * Citations from Central European History (2006) and German Politics and Society (2003)
 * Article in Party Politics (1995) by the German Dietrich Thränhardt. Page 5 of article for citation.
 * Article in Comparative Politics (1990) by the German Hans-Georg Betz. See page 49 for citation.
 * Scholarly English language review of German language book in English Historical Review (2007)
 * and so forth....


 * Britannica Encyclopedia
 * Columbia Encyclopedia
 * Encarta Particularly notable, as Encarta tends to be more inclusive of "foreign" characters/diacritics
 * UXL Encyclopedia of World Biography
 * Library of Congress Authorized Heading
 * Example of British Library citation

Erudy (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * New York Times Obituary
 * Der Spiegel Online
 * BBC
 * CBC
 * And on the cover of TIME
 * According to The Economist's style guide

Evidence is lacking
Apart from that evidence is lacking, the defamatory statement that Strauss has worked as a "Nationalsozialistischer Führungsoffizier" is not true. His self-report is unsuitable as a reputable source, but is supported by this article in Der Spiegel. After that, Hans Hellmut Kirst held this position. While the position of an "Offizier für wehrgeistige Führung" was determined solely by the power of the Wehrmacht, the new position created in 1943 required approval by the NSDAP. The goal was much more focused on the national socialist idology. See the articlede:Nationalsozialistischer Führungsoffizier in the German WP. Strauß was not a political commissar and not a member of the National Socialists. Both functions therefore are not directly comparable. See also: (All articles are in German) ZEIT Archiv Jahrgang 1980 Ausgabe: 10 „Ich kann eiskalt austeilen“ Waren Sie Soldat? Ich bekenne mich MagentaGreen (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

From Gelsenzentrum, a Portal for City History and world history: Nazi-Oberleutnant, Prime Minister in Bavaria, several times Federal Minister. Franz Josef Strauß was a member of the National Socialist Student Union NSDStB, in 1937 he was a member of the National Socialist Motor Corps NSKK. He was a speaker for National Socialist ideology during Storm 23/M 6 in Munich. In 1943 he was promoted to lieutenant and was chief of the staff battery and "officer for military leadership". Strauß continued to show sympathy for the SS during his term of office. - "Eine Auswahl Deutscher Nazi-Karrieren nach 1945". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:908:a62:e140:35b0:ab7b:9278:d9f5 (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2018‎ (UTC)

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