Talk:Franz von Paula Gruithuisen

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Requested move 22 October 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Franz von Gruithuisen → Franz von Paula Gruithuisen – I'm proposing this title change for two reasons:


 * 1) "Franz von Paula" is a full given name, like with Franz von Paula Schrank, and it is the name he himself uses in his publications (though usually in abbreviated forms like "Fr. v. P.").
 * 2) I am doubtful that he was even a baron at all, so to include a "von" before his family name seems misleading. So far I have been unable to find a reliable source stating he was one (beware of citogenesis, I've seen a few sources online repeat English Wikipedia's claim he is a Baron, which is to be expected at this point since the "Baron" in the article's lead has been there since the article's creation in 2005), and so the current title "Franz von Gruithuisen" looks as if it misuses "von" as a nobility particle rather than as part of the given name "Franz von Paula"? It may be bad form to refer to other language Wikipedias, but it is curious that German Wikipedia in particular does not refer to him even as "Freiherr" (= baron).

Oddly though, an image of his grave on Commons doesn't include "Paula" in his name, giving the name "Franz von Gruithuisen" as we use currently. Unless he was in fact a baron, It's possible this is a mistake, but I have no way to check this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, the full name is supported by the cited sources, is more common in ngrams and happens to match de.wikipedia as well. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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