Talk:Fraternal Order of Eagles

Drowned in a septic tank
How could someone drown in a septic tank? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.14.244 (talk • contribs)
 * It's not the only time I've heard of this happening. Usually, it involves the top of the tank rusting away and the ground collapsing. In any event, though, the only apparent reference for this incident (not provided inline) in the article is a website for a lawyer, not exactly a great citation. In general, this article could use a lot of citation. And expansion. - Jmabel | Talk 04:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Missing information
Kind of new here.. This article seems to omit anything about when the FOE was an all white organization. It was brought up in the past but it was removed because it wasn't cited. I found another article on wikipedia that talked about it: James Groppi I also found a citation that I think would work (from the other wikipedia article): http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/u?/wmh,49345 What do other people think about this? Gamerman2360 (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Why would it be important the the FOE was all white over 100 years ago? Don't you think its time we all move on. What other charitable organization gives 100% of money to the charity none for admin costs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwahl517 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It is important for historical purposes. I can think of many things that happened 100 years ago that we still bring up in texts - it is called HISTORY. Having a full history of the organization does not have any bearing onwhether one can "move on". However, slicing and dicing history for one's own therapeutic purposes seems a really silly and dangerous notion. Sure, they might give their money away, put that in too. Revisionist history is a scary idea. The fact that they didn't let women in (except their own special club) is troublesome as well. Or make the money on gambling and drinking. I think this article is biased because it glosses over the bad (or outright doesn't even mention it) and promotes the FOE member point of view. Mollyr69 (talk) 16:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)Molly


 * I agree fully, and we're not talking about 100 years anyway. As late as 1990 the court decision finding them guilty of violations of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Watson v. Fraternal Order of Eagles Grand Aerie, et al.. Evan Carroll (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

No women in a fraternal order. How strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.76.36.200 (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can cite it, place it. If you do, I would include that the organization no longer holds these racist or sexist views, only to be fair to current members and the organization as a whole. 24.106.106.245 (talk) 16:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I've got a copy of the Constitution and Statues of the Fraternal Order of Eagles ("Adopted by the 56th Annual Grand Aerie Convention at Chicago, Illinois, July 29, to August 1, 1954"). I'm not really sure how to cite it because of its format. Anyway, under Article VII Section 4 it states "Membership in the Order is open to all persons of the Caucasion [sic] race, of good moral character, who believe in a Supreme Being, and subject to such other requirements as may be provided by statute." Even if I posted this quote, I couldn't really make it neutral because I don't have a copy of the current FOE constitution. I'd hate to post something like 'The FOE has a past of supporting white superiority, a 1954 copy of their Constitution and Statutes states under Art. 7 Sect. 4, "Membership in the Order is open to all persons of the Caucasion [sic] race"'.Occidensylvania (talk) 05:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad to see this discussion going on. The information seems important and relevant to include in the article, but i agree some information about the current status of the organization would best be added at the same time.  Note, for Freemasonry, a comparable fraternal organization which consists of "Lodge" and "Grand Lodge" groups that mutually recognized one another or choose not to, it is known and documentable that many of the all-white ones still do not acknowledge black ones (there is a reliable website which tracks their mutual recognitions), and there is a slow-dragging, embarrassing controversy documented in the national news in which (approximately) the all-white West Virginia Grand Lodge expelled a mildly reforming leader and is now punishing the Ohio Grand Lodge for accepting that person as a member.  Racism is alive and well within fraternal organizations in America.  I do believe it is relevant to provide statements about past exclusivity but again it is good to document current status as well.  Hopefully more digging, lit searching might come up with more.  How about performing some original research to be reported here (not saying should go into article), such as phoning the national organization and asking if they have any integrated local chapters?  That background research could inform the appropriate thing to do in the mainspace article (like if someone official effectively says they're happily racist on the phone, not that i expect they would, then I wouldn't put that in mainspace but I would feel better about providing objective documentation about the organization being racist at some date in the past).  Or if they can point to specific initiatives or integrated local chapters then I would direct some effort to finding reliable sources for that, to provide some balance in a mainspace treatment. -- do  ncr  am  14:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Include James Bruce Kremer in notable politicians section?
I am preparing an article on James Bruce Kremer, a notable Montana politician of the early to mid 20th century. He was Montana Eagles president in 1904. What else he may have done relating to the Eagles I don't know. He served on the Democratic National Committee from 1908 til 1934, being vice chairman of it starting in 1919. He was a close associate of fellow Eagle Franklin Roosevelt, functioning as one of nine members of FDR's 'council of war' in 1932, as well as making a significant contribution to his nomination at the convention. He was also the intimate confidant of FDR's Attorney General, Homer S. Cummings during the 1930's. Kremer never served in any publicly elected office although he came within an ace of being appointed to Montana Senator Thomas J. Walsh's seat, vacated when Walsh died just before FDR's inauguration in 1933. For the story see Burton K. Wheelers autobiography 'Yankee From The West', page 300-301.Jwilsonjwilson (talk) 21:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)