Talk:Fred Archer (jockey)

"The Tin-Man"
Fred Archer was thought by contemporaries to be very acquisitive. Indeed, he was sometimes referred to as "the tin-man", "tin" being a slang term for money.

This aspect is brought out in the novel Bertie and the Tinman, a fictionalised account of his death by novelist Peter Lovesey.


 * I've added reference to the nickname based on what is on the National Horseracing Museum website. It doesn't give any indication of this origin, though, so if anyone has a reference, please add it in. Peaky76 (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Why Frederick J. Archer?
And not "Fred Archer (jockey)"? --  Jack of Oz   [Talk]  06:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good question! The article started life as "Fred Archer (jockey)" but we had a contributor to the racing project at one time who felt that people should be dab'd by middle initial (see also John L. Dunlop, Philip P. Robinson) but having  a look around I can see that really isn't right - I found this in WP:NCP;
 * "Adding middle names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised."

I'm going to be bold and move it. Bcp67 (talk) 20:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not before time. As noted above there are plenty of other examples.  Tigerboy1966  20:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Jolly good show to all concerned. Have the rest of the day off. :)  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  20:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, thanks! I've also discovered that wikipedia advises that links to redirect pages don't have to be fixed, WP:NOTBROKEN, so I'm not going to go through and fix all the redirects on this, nor on the others mentioned above which I am about to move. Bcp67 (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

First race?
An earlier edit to this page specifies Archer's first race was at Bangor but gives no citation. I've since found a citation in the Dictionary of National Biography saying his first race was at Chesterfield. For the time being I've left both possibilities and added a to the Bangor one. Can anyone resolve this one way of the other? Peaky76 (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)