Talk:Fred Durst/Archive 1

Inaccurate information
Fred Durst was never in the band Death, Nor Carcass, and he is not a Death metal guitarist.

This article makes no mention either of Fred's daughter Adrianna, from his first marriage when he was right out of the Navy. Adrianna is mentioned on Fred's official imdb bio, as well as numerous photos of them together on the net. Fred also makes mention himself of his daughter through lyrics, "my daughter adrianna...for the love i feel inside". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.192.41 (talk) 01:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Ambiguous phrasing and non-notable content
The latter half of this article (dealing with Durst's apparent alienation from his fans and the music industry as a whole) contains some ambiguous wording. Note:


 * Durst's performance with Christina Aguilera at the MTV Video Music Awards certainly didn't help his credibility, and almost ruined hers.

Did this really almost ruin Aguilera's career? As I recall, she released a Spanish-language album, a Christmas album, and her multi-platimum album Stripped (including several singles that received heavy radio play) during the couple years following her performance with Durst?


 * Eminem has ridiculed Durst on a number of his songs.

Eminem has ridiculed many of his musical peers. His feud with Durst isn't terribly notable, considering Eminem's lyrical attacks on N'Sync, Moby, Everlast, Brintey Spears, Christina Aguilera, Insane Clown Posse, etc. (etc etc etc)


 * He also had a falling out with Trent Reznor. Zakk Wylde has an intense hatred for him.

Whether true or not, what is the basis for these statements?


 * On the Celebrity Deathmatch show, Durst in stop motion form challenged James Hetfield of Metallica. Hetfield was victorious although critically damaged.

Similar to the aforementioned Eminem feud, dozens, if not hundreds, of entertainers have been parodied on Celebrity Deathmatch. And at least half of them died brutal and bloody deaths. Again, Durst (or Hetfield, for that matter) is not notable in this regard. And Hetfield was "critically damaged"? So what?

Furthermore, the majority of this article's content seems to refer more to the "gossipy" elements of Durst's popularity (his feuds, the list of women he's rumored to have dated, even his not-terribly-unusual body piercing). Durst is primarily known as the lead singer of a rock band, right? This article should reflect more on his music career. For example, he's apparently a producer and industry executive in addition to fronting a band. Maybe someone could add some info about his production style and studio work?

I'd attempt to make the necessary changes, but I have very limited knowledge about Fred Durst. And besides, I like Trent Reznor. :)

--buck 19:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan Davis tatoo
I've removed the following section because it doesn't add any information about Durst:


 * Durst got his big break soon after, in an interesting way. While on tour, KoЯn frontman Jonathan Davis wanted to get a tattoo. His tattoo artist was Durst. Because of this, Durst got Davis to get his band a gig. Since then, Davis has regretted his decision. --Diberri | Talk 22:22, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)

It wasn't Jon that got the tattoo, it was ex-korn member Head.

-It mentions this during the episode of koRn TV with Limp Bizkit on it, Head shows the tat. Tiburon 18:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
This phrase (The son of a wigger) doesn't seem verifiable. Could someone cite a source if they want to put this back in the article? [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 00:32, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Contributions made by 24.34.99.24:


 * Peter North (porn star)
 * Wigwag
 * Isaac Newton
 * Down Syndrome
 * Fred Durst
 * Madonna


 * chocolateboy 08:28, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Someone needs to temporarily protect this page against vandalizm since it's being attacked, probably because of the recent leak of Durst porn clips. Pacian 21:35, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * It's been vandalised recently by exactly one person. Hardly an emergency, and no reason to protect it. -- John Fader 22:05, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, currently, it still/again contains vandalism... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.204.34.163 (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Image
I removed the image Image:Fred-Durst.jpg because it is copyrighted. See User talk:Sourcecode for more information. --Diberri | Talk 16:36, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

POV
This article has some serious issues with POV and quality. It is very poorly written. I did my best to fix as much of it as possible but I do not know anything about Fred Durst. QzarBaron 21:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I hope I didn't butcher the article too much, and if so I apologize. I did my best so it could conform with Wikipedia's POV policies. Metaleer 15:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading the article, I could find no problems with neutrality after your edits. Good work.  I'm removing the check tag per policy. Thanks, Shinmawa 07:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Fred did not create Faith
Removed Faith from the list of songs that Fred created; as George Michael would love to point out, that song was released when Durst was still running round with a fred durst haircut. 9:05, 23 April 2006.

Fred Durst's penis length
I think that information should be taken out of the article. Sure, his dick length is verifiable through the leaked video clip but is it really necessary to mention it in the article?

This info should definitely not appear in the article, but frankly, if you've seen the video, the length isn't as much an issue as the width. Pencil dick, anyone?--Darkprincealain 02:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Copy editing
This article is poorly written and needs a lot of TLC and organization. I've already made some changes; I'm going to work with it some more to improve its POV and spelling/grammar.

Not to be critical of the fifteen-year-old kids out there, but it reads like it was written by a teenager with categories such as "fickle fans." Stick Fig 00:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe that I spent that long cleaning up an article about Fred Durst, but I did. Please don't break it. If anyone can recommend improvements, let me know. Stick Fig 02:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Article rating
I've been watching this article for the last two months, and my feeling is that it tells the facts that the average person wants, though I think the article needs more sourcing. Because of this, I've given it a B-grade rating. - Stick Fig 15:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Should we block IPs/new users from editing?
It seems like we have problems with users vandalizing/changing information on this page daily. I think it would be helpful from an editing perspective to make sure everyone posting here is registered and not trying to add their own versions of Wikiality to the page. Does anyone agree with me? - Stick Fig 18:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it would definitely be a good idea. --Yayza 19:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Consider it done. The most recent vandal also went out of his way to attack my user page. I'm glad to see I've been making friends around here. - Stick Fig 23:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

On "controversial"
My feeling is, if a person does controversial things that alienate him towards many, even if I don't personally think they're controversial myself, that makes the person controversial. I don't see that as point of view because it notes a part of his public persona. I'll rework the wording a little bit (perhaps a "target of controversy" might be more apt), but putting nothing in their and ignoring this part of their persona seems to be doing the article as much of a disservice as some overly harsh POV would. Anyone else have thoughts? - Stick Fig 22:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it should be sourced though which shouldn't be to hard.--E tac 20:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The article has a ton of sourced things that sort of already cover it, including an entire section titled "Controversy". I don't see why we have to source it there too, although it wouldn't hurt. - Stick Fig 23:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Civility
Some of the editors here mike like to remember that civility and no personal attacks extend to edit summaries as well as to talk page comments. Play nicely. --Robdurbar 19:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies for any part I've played in this. - Stick Fig 21:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Feuds
On top of the mentioned feuds in the article, there was a feud he had with Creed lead singer Scott Stapp on I think two different occasions. There is a video on MTV.com's news archive from like 1999 or 2000 where Fred Durst got on stage during a concert, I think it said krocks dysfunctional family picnic or something like that and said "This song goes out to the lead singer of Creed. The guy's an egomaniac.  He's a f***ing punk!  F*** that motherf***er and f*** you too!" and later said, according to the news piece, something like he'll hand out pillows for when Creed comes out. I know it's on the site, but I don't feel like searching through the archives to find it at the moment. The other incident I think had something to do with Taproot. Do you think it should be added or is what is there enough? Vgamer101 18:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as we can source it reputably, I don't see why not. - Stick Fig 18:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Found it! http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1427590/20000626/creed.jhtml Vgamer101 20:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Original research
Serious problems throughout this article. Early life section is rife with unsourced claims about Durst's personal life and feelings that the article makes no attempt to substantiate. These unsourced claims about his biological father are quite out of line, particularly if the guy is still alive per WP:BLP: "When he ran out of money, he decided to learn more about his biological father. His mother told him where he lived (back in Jacksonville), and Durst went to visit, possibly hoping he’d give him some money. When he returned from the visit, he only said, “What an asshole.” As a result, he gained a newfound appreciation for his stepfather, Bill." This needs major work fast. Also had "beef" with rap superstar Marshall Mathers (Eminem) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.92.138.139 (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit
I worked with the box. It was coming up disjointed and was difficult to know what was being said. I tried to clean it up, but I may have missed something (or deleted too much). Vdrj2 00:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Article needs major re-write
I don't know who needs to do it, but this article is trash. All the immature people who keep vandalising the article or glorifying him need to stop. I suggest someone un-biased needs to rewrite this article. I'd do it, but I'm a bit biased against the guy (I find him annoying). Also, my knowledge of the guy is extremely limited. I'll fix what I can, but I cannot promise much. I've added citations everywhere. There needs to be sources. You cannot say that "this is all on that MTV show" or something to that effect. Sources are needed. Remember, citations need to be at least at the end of every paragraph, or when the topic changes. I know Trivia sections are discouraged, but I cannot find anywhere to dump those tidbits of information, so I've stuck them there for the time being. If someone can add them to an appropriate part, it would help. Someone needs to help mme find sources. IronCrow (talk) 06:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo of him
If anyone is feeling very helpful and super, I've found a photo that would enjoy some cropping and uploading, at Flickr. Thanks very much, -- Drum guy (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Internally inconsistent
This article lists place of birth as both Jacksonville, FL and Gastonia, NC. I don't know which is correct, but if someone does it should be changed.

SandwichSandwich (talk) 15:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it Fred was born in Jacksonville then moved to Gastonnia where he attended high school. he then moved back to Jacksonville due to Gastonia's lack of a music scene then LB was formed you know the rest. TG 50 (talk) 01:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The article currently still shows an inconsistency between Jacksonville, Florida and Gastonia, North Carolina as his place of birth. Has anyone got a couple of reliable and citable sources to sort this one out, one way or the other? Thanks,


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wingwalker84 (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)The place of birth should be Gastonia, NC. I live only a few miles from the school that he graduated from. Though I do not have any justifiable proof that this is correct, it is common knowledge in the Gastonia area, and has also developed into a common hatred for Fred due to him claiming Jacksonville instead of Gastonia as his home town. This is also the birthplace that is stated on his IMDB page. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004890/

Age 69?? LMAO!
"Durst was born in Gastonia, North Carolina on August 20, 1940" WTF!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.83.243.218 (talk) 05:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Us Navy section?
Why is there a link to the US navy wikipedia entry at the bottom of the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.148.155 (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Early life (birth)
Early life - Durst was born in Gastonia, North Carolina to a churchgoing mother, Anita, who later married. Is that phrased correctly? It reads that his mother was religious and had him out of wedlock. The only cite for the entire paragraph is IMDb. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Falling Away From Me?
It says Fred Durst made a cameo appearance in the music video for Korn's "Falling Away From Me". wtf? There's no Fred Durst in that video. He only made an appearance in "Got the Life" not "Falling Away From Me". Metalfan72 (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Flawless Records
There should probably be some mention of his record label... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flawless_Records —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.137.179 (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Eminem and Fred did not feud
Eminem's feud seems to be more with DJ Lethal than Fred or the rest of Limp Bizkit. I think it would be a better idead to include this on DJ Lethal's page instead of Fred Durst's. Metalfan72 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna change it since no one else has argued this Metalfan72 (talk) 01:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Guitarist and guitar as occupation???
Guitarist & Guitar removed, I don't think it is plausible to class someone as a guitarist for playing on stage once, at a less than basic level, Fred has never recorded on guitar or used his guitar ability to make money, as he has never made money from this I can't see the reason for it being an occupation.

Guitar he is playing at a less than Gradeable standard in the single video of him actually playing guitar for 28 seconds? again i don't think we can classify him as having a sufficient knowledge of how to play the guitar, and i believe this was put on as an error so i have removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidJ182 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Images
I went for this, as opposed to this for the lead image, because he's looking at the camera in the film premiere image, whereas he's looking away from the camera in the concert photo. A centered head shot is more appropriate for heading a biographical article.

Filmography Section
The page is semi-protected so I can't change this myself, but the Filmography table should include "Population 436" (2006). It's already mentioned on the page, and can be sourced to IMDB here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462482/

Fastest shredder of all time?
how is this wikipedia? nobody checks facts? im removing that bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.224.252.10 (talk) 11:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Durst is currently married
Fred got married recently in California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.81.136 (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Fred Durst
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Fred Durst's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SWI": From Puddle of Mudd discography:  From Lil' Kim discography:  From Limp Bizkit discography:  From Everlast (musician):  From Staind discography:  From Korn discography:  From Nate Dogg discography:  From The Real Slim Shady: </li> </ul>

Reference named "AUT":<ul> <li>From The Real Slim Shady: </li> <li>From Everlast (musician): </li> <li>From Follow the Leader (Korn album): </li> <li>From Staind discography: </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> <li>From Puddle of Mudd discography: </li> <li>From Limp Bizkit discography: </li> </ul>

Reference named "BVMI":<ul> <li>From Nate Dogg discography: </li> <li>From List of music recording certifications: </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> <li>From Limp Bizkit discography: </li> <li>From Snoop Dogg discography: </li> </ul>

Reference named "ARIA":<ul> <li>From ARIA Charts: </li> <li>From List of music recording certifications: </li> <li>From Black Light Burns: </li> </ul>

Reference named "NLD":<ul> <li>From Limp Bizkit discography: </li> <li>From Everlast (musician): </li> <li>From Staind discography: </li> <li>From Follow the Leader (Korn album): </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> <li>From Puddle of Mudd discography: </li> <li>From Nate Dogg discography: </li> </ul>

Reference named "RIAA":<ul> <li>From List of music recording certifications: </li> <li>From Limp Bizkit discography: </li> <li>From Lil' Kim discography: </li> <li>From Tommy Lee: </li> <li>From Everlast (musician): </li> <li>From It's Been Awhile: </li> <li>From Snoop Dogg discography: </li> <li>From Nate Dogg discography: </li> <li>From Aaron Lewis: </li> <li>From Deftones: </li> <li>From Staind discography: </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> <li>From Insane Clown Posse: </li> </ul>

Reference named "BPI":<ul> <li>From List of music recording certifications: </li> <li>From Snoop Dogg discography: </li> <li>From Black Light Burns: </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> <li>From Staind discography: </li> <li>From Nate Dogg discography: </li> </ul>

Reference named "NZ":<ul> <li>From Korn: </li> <li>From Staind discography: </li> <li>From The Real Slim Shady: </li> <li>From Black Light Burns: </li> <li>From Nate Dogg discography: </li> <li>From Korn discography: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.