Talk:Fred Rose (politician)

Changes made
I changed "undying hatred" to mere "hatred" to make it less clichéd.

I took out the parenthetical description of the Soviet Union as "the victors of Stalingrad." This is either a needless rhetorical flourish or shorthand for the argument that the Soviet Union was primarily responsible for the defeat of Hitler. That may be true, but it is not necessary to assert it here unless that is considered evidence of Rose's innocence. I don't see how it is. The sentence as edited makes the point that the CPC lost its political cover with the end of the Cold War.

I likewise took out " devastated" before homeland in the following sentence. The only purpose that I can see to that adjective is to suggest that Gouzenko was not truthful. Once again, that may be so, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that by an adjective, without some discussion—generally lacking in this article—of what the evidence was, whether it was reliable, and how it related to Rose.

I took out the phrase "as were the McCarthy trials in the USA" since the reference to "McCarthy trials" is a little sloppy (do we mean the committee hearings, the trials by press conference or political speech, or the Smith Act cases in which McCarthy had no direct role?) and also stated, without any supporting detail, that this trial was, in fact, a witchhunt. Which, as I've said above, might be true, but deserves to be explained rather than merely stated or insinuated.

I took out the phrase "and expunge a black mark in Canadian legal history." Same reason. -- Italo Svevo 03:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

this makes no sense
I removed the phrase ", Igor Gouzenko was introduced to the Canadian public via national television, interviewed with a paper bag over his head."

First of all who is Igor Gouzenko, and how could he appear on national television in 1947, when national television did not exist until 1952? --Cloveious 23:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Igor Gouzenko dropped the puck that started the Cold War. He was a Soviet cipher clerk working in Ottawa when he defected and provided evidence of Soviet espionage. He appeared on national television in the '50s covering his face with some sort of cloth mask because he was living under an assumed identity in Canada. (It was The Unknown Comic who wore a paper bag, probably a nod to Gouzenko). Anyway, 1 1/2 years after the above comment so this point is probably moot, but just thought I'd weigh in while I was here. bobanny 05:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also wanna mention that this is an interesting subject and could be an awesome article with some expanding and some sources provided. The CPC had an important place in 20th century Canadian history, but it shouldn't be left solely to party members to write. Was this guy related to Paul Rose of FLQ fame at all? bobanny 05:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
The way I read this article, it seems very biased in favor of the individual in question. The phrasing and comments made seem to go out of their way to emphasize the hardships of the individual, while there seems to be little opinion from the other side of the debate: that he was a communist sympathizer and that his jail time and subsequent revocation of citizenship was justified. Thoughts? --Dbo789 (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The article states quite clearly that Rose was a Communist politician and was sentenced to prison for spying. There is no POV bias here - what you are meaning to say is that there are no facts presented to support the charges Rose was sentenced on. It would be nice if sources (original court documents or period newspaper articles) could be found about the trial. But that is related to the template unsourced issue and not to POV. 174.89.237.226 (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)