Talk:Frederick, Maryland

Image of farm
A farm near Frederick, Maryland

This image doesn't belong here. It belongs maybe on Frederick, County article, but is not representative of Frederick City. I will take some pictures next time I am in the area. MB 19:52 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I live there, a nice picture of downtown at christmas or the clustered spires would be nice :).--Crucio 23:56, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Flag
I removed the flag, being that it is not the flag of the City of Frederick but the Flag of Frederick County. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 05:05, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fourth largest city in Maryland?
According to both the Rockville and the Frederick articles, they are both the fourth most populous cities in the state of Maryland. Which is larger? And which census updates are used to determine these? Alex 05:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

History Section
I'm from Frederick and I always love hearing about its history. Would anyone like to create a history section for this page? I would dearly love to, but I don't really have the time or know where to find the most important information. So if someone out there would like to at least start this, I would be very grateful. Contrafool 16:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Arts Section
Needs a rewrite. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.174.177.138 (talk • contribs).

The mention of colleges in Frederick, MD and also the mention of a sister city seem to have no relevance to the arts and should be in a different section. jake brooks, march 27th, 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.25.26 (talk) 22:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Schools Section
The schools section listed here should be moved to the county page because the county serves as the basis for the school system in MD. When I get around to it, I will move the information into the county page, clean it up, and hopefully create an article for the FCPS too.Jason Smith 02:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Silver Spring
Both this article and Silver Spring make competing claims about the second largest city in MD. Korossyl 05:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Both Silver Spring and Columbia MD are more populous than Frederick, but these are unincorporated areas. Frederick is the second largest incorporated city behind Baltimore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.156.90 (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Population
Frederick according to the population stats is the second largest city in Maryland, although it says third on this page. I believe third is actually Gaithersburg. But how do you edit that top section? 76.100.227.156 19:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No - follow the link (in turn to the rank link on the Census page). Frederick is third, behind Baltimore and Gaithersburg. Tedickey 19:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Tyler's Spite House
The spite house no longer serves as a bed and breakfast. the owner passed away (or so I heard) and it now serves as the main office of a new design firm, The Design Method Group. Toxicityj (talk) 22:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I updated it to reflect the above with a reference to a newspaper article about it. --71.176.153.80 (talk) 18:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Unpublished manuscript
Recent edit: "Calvin E. Schildknecht, unpublished manuscript and supporting documents: Draft Genealogy: Thomas and Margaret Schley and Some of Their Descendents. August, 1991: 135 Doubleday Avenue, Gettysburg, PA, 17325. Including the files of the late Jacob Mehrling Holdcraft and the files of the late Judge Edward S. Delaplaine, compiled with the assistance of Mary Ann Frank."

If it's unpublished, that sounds as if it is unverifiable, and therefore cannot be used Tedickey (talk) 01:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

There are all kinds of valid, unpublished works which need to be referenced. Many of these include letters, family Bibles, and archived materials. All academic referencing systems make a place for these kinds of citations, and the best primary research relies on such materials. By definition, published materials are "secondary materials". You all need to get real. The works of the great early management guru, Mary Parker Follett, was, until the last two decades, accessible only in unpublished form.Doktorschley (talk) 03:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's discussed in RS Tedickey (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the Schley material should not be used, as it has not been published, nor accepted in fulfillment of an academic requirement, like a dissertation. The other issue with the Schley family material is that there is too much of it - there were other people and groups who have contributed to Frederick's history and present. There is little sense of how the city has benefited by its proximity to major federal installations, such as FDA and others; its residents include people more highly educated than might be expected in a relatively small, but growing place.Parkwells (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Former Mayor
Daniel Kolb is linked to the wrong person. This needs to be corrected or the link removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swans1tf (talk • contribs) 17:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Theater
The section onn theaters in Frederick is far from complete. Unfortunately, I know several people who have tried to post other theaters located in the city, but they were removed. One such post followed pretty much the same format and style as the Maryland Ensemble Theaters line in that section but was still removed. It was said this was an advertisement. ..

"The Way Off Broadway Dinner Theatre is a regional theater located in Frederick on the western side of the city along what is known as Frederick's "Golden Mile" and has been based there since it first opened in 1990 as the Keynote Dinner Theatre."

It was also accompanied by a citation. How could that be rewritten so that it would not be considered an advertisement. Something similar happened with the line that mentioned the Weinberg Center for the Arts, which was actually taken directly from the Weinberg's Wikipedia article.

I'm just curious how to be able to include these things because Frederick does have such a diverse theater community. RidgeWest (talk) 22:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)RW


 * The url given points to a site that's basically just advertising. Some actual evidence of notability should accompany the edits (otherwise, one would simply link to all of the pages on that site, for instance) TEDickey (talk) 01:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess I understand the notability issue to a point. . . especially when it has to do with a subject having its own article on Wikipedia. But on an information page like this, that specifically has a theater section, should all the theaters be listed. But, sticking with the notability issue, the historic Weinberg Center would certainly be more important to mention than the Maryland Ensemble Theatre. I'm really not trying to be difficult. I am just trying to understand the full rationale that if Wikipedia already deemed the Weinberg and Way Off Broadway notabale enough to have their own articles, why wouldn't that be enough to be listed on the theater section of Frederick City?

Or am I maybe just looking at how the edit was written, needing to be more specific. For example, with Way Off Broadway, saying that besides the Weinberg, it is the longest operating theater in the city and many shows made their western Maryland regional theater debuts at Way Off Broadway. Is that more the direction you are talking about? RidgeWest (talk) 02:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)RW —Preceding unsigned comment added by RidgeWest (talk • contribs) 02:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I recommend discarding the advertising source, and using just a one-liner pointing to the already-sourced topic. The existing topic does need cleanup, in case you've time/inclination to improve it TEDickey (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Let me take some time and see if I can come up with something that can work. I will definitely get your opinion before posting it. RidgeWest (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)RW
 * thanks TEDickey (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Frederick County Not Largest County
According to the List of counties in Maryland there are several counties larger in area than Frederick Majorarcanum (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

city-data url
Those sources provide a lot of data, but not what supports the given comparison TEDickey (talk) 09:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the cost of living and housing prices for Frederick MD and Washington DC compared to the national average, and Harrisburg PA compared to the national average, the comparison is supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.156.90 (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A WP:RS addressing the comment would make not only that comparison, but put it into context TEDickey (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Maryland Route 144 no longer exists within City of Frederick
In 1814, Dr. John Tyler built what is called the Tyler Spite House at 112 W. Church Street in Frederick to prevent the city from extending Record Street south through Tyler's land to meet West Patrick Street (now also Maryland Route 144).

(now also Maryland Route 144)

State Highway, no longer exists in City of Frederick, Roadway turned over to the city in 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.56.95 (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Late 19th century History Section
The section currently states:
 * In 1872 the Pennsylvania Railroad completed its Frederick Secondary branch line, which ran from Frederick to York, Pennsylvania and Columbia, Pennsylvania.

The actual cited source on the page states... that it was the Frederick and Pennsylvania Line Railroad Company from Kingsdale to Frederick Md which opened October 8 1872. I propose to edit the section to reference the F&PL article in the link instead of the PRR in the current article...

Cheers... Risk Engineer (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

population_metro
That field would be (if sourced) for the area around the principal city of a metropolitan area. Frederick doesn't meet that criteria for WMA TEDickey (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

"metro" population for minor component of MSA
The population_metro field of the infobox implies that this is a principal city of the cited MSA/CSA - in this case Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area and/or Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV Combined Statistical Area. However, the reliable source (ignoring editor-contributed opinions about unincorporated cities) differs from that implication (it's listed as a principal city of one of the four components of the former). Usual (non-Wikipedia) practice for "metro" population would be to cite the population due to the component (which the reader may note is about an order of magnitude less than the current figure). TEDickey (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * 2014 US Census data cites Frederick County, where Frederick city is located, as having a population of 241,414. Perhaps the max metro population for the city shouldn't exceed the max of the county. Google Maps cites Frederick as being a 44.2 mile drive from Washington DC, and Frederick is two counties away from Washington DC.
 * I haven't found any other pages on this site where cities in the Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area cite the entire Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area as their metro population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.194.77.3 (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

This issue is very simple: the claim is severely misleading so it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.229.4.2 (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Split
The history section of this article is a lot longer than the rest of the article and contains a large amount of information that is not really needed in the main Frederick, Maryland article. I think it would be a good idea to go ahead and split this section out into its own article and then write a summary of the history of Frederick in the history section of this article. Zell Faze (talk) 14:31, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I've had trouble finding other people to discuss this with and am not 100% sure this is the best course of action or not. In this case I thought that rather than being bold, I would prefer to discuss it with other editors. Zell Faze (talk) 12:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


 * ❌ Oppose splitting I don't see a problem with what's there now. 94.193.139.22 (talk) 13:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I would consider trimming it here first. A tag on it suggests there may be some unneeded information there. A quick glance suggests there is a lack of references and a bit off excess information (sites of historical interest seems like a good candidate for trimming). AIR corn (talk) 09:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I could probably move a lot of the sites of historical interest to Wikivoyage. Zell Faze (talk) 11:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Good idea. AIR corn (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * ❌ Oppose The article is not of a sufficient length to need a split.  Uhlan  talk  05:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I also disagree with splitting the article. United States Man (talk) 20:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Well I think then the general consensus is opposed to splitting on the grounds that it just needs a little bit of trimming and some TLC. If no one has any objections I'll close this RFC then? Zell Faze (talk) 19:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan. Just got the message on the RfC and I'm with the majority. A bit of pruning would take care of the article overgrowth.Wzrd1 (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Removed the split article discussion tag. I'm removing the RFC from the list.  Thank you everyone! Zell Faze (talk) 12:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding Carol Creek park to section 6.1
This page could be improved by adding information about the new Carroll Creek Park Project to the City Scape section. The Park has vastly changed the appearance of several areas within Frederick, most notably the area of Carroll Creek by the train station. The area was previously a very industrial portion of town and was just flat concert but now has many fountains and is far more parkish than it was previously. The Carroll Creek park project has also lead to a revitalization effort of many derelict buildings on East Patrick Street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Personpeeple94 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Frederick, Maryland
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Frederick, Maryland's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "TWC": From Gettysburg, Pennsylvania:  From Mount Airy, Maryland:  From Brunswick, Maryland:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:37, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the. —Community Tech bot (talk) 22:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Confederates marching through Frederick, MD in 1862.jpg

"Fredneck" as a population_demonym
Anon-IP supplied two instances of "Fredneck" used as a derogatory term, which doesn't appear to be the intent of the template. TEDickey (talk) 20:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Music section lacks meaningful citations for claims
The music section overall is light on citations, as has been previously pointed out by someone else. In particular, the two bands listed only have one citation each, and neither is high quality. One goes to a Youtube video and one to a Frederick News Post article. Anyone can upload songs to Youtube. Simply doing so doesn't prove any claims about a band. One single article in FNP doesn't show that a band is important enough to deserve its own paragraph in a general article about Frederick. Clutch is described as having a "hit" song, but I can find no reference to the song charting, and the Youtube version of it has very few Likes. If it's a "hit", what position did it occupy on what chart when? I would expect a reference to Billboard or the like. Many, many bands have come through Frederick and as of right now, I don't see why these two in particular are chosen to be featured with their own paragraphs and no other bands are even listed. Fredericktonian73 (talk) 10:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * That appears to refer to Neil Fallon, which has an adequate number of reliable sources. TEDickey (talk) 00:57, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Neil Fallon is not even mentioned in the Frederick article; I'm not sure why you're bringing that into the discussion. Everything I already said still stands and you haven't addressed any of it. I am trying to assist in improving the quality of this section, and I will thank you to make no more unwarranted accusations that I am "vandalizing" the page. Fredericktonian73 (talk) 06:10, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

The articles for Clutch (band) and Silent Old Mtns each contain dozens of citations. Have you considered whether any of them could be included here to improve this article? -- Pemilligan (talk) 13:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The news article which was mentioned before is an interview with Neil Fallon (have to read the sources). The comment about Clutch could be presented better (which would improve the topic). TEDickey (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2023 (UTC)