Talk:Frederick D. Sulcer

Floated October 2011
This is an article about my late father. He would have loved Wikipedia if he only could have made it another 10 years and we'd have world-class articles on marketing and advertising -- he was a terrific writer. I miss you, dad.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "He became a creative director. He was promoted to account executive in 1961." How does that work ? Even back then these titles are consistent with how things are now, a Creative Director is a senior role in the creative dept, whereas an Account Exec is a junior role in the account service dept. Are you saying he left the creative side after a time to go to the account handling side ? - Sticks  66  11:32, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm uncertain. I don't know much about advertising and this stuff happened a long time ago, and my father rarely spoke about his roles or titles. But I see what you are saying. Maybe the "creative director" part is inexact, or maybe the "promoted to" part is inexact, maybe he was just a creative person and then began to move to the account side? I wish he was around so I could ask him. The general career trajectory was that he started off as a copywriter and worked in the creative side, and then moved to the accounts side, later to agency management, and worked as a rainmaker, essentially. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

COI tag (November 2021)
Sulce's son is the creator of the article, per their own comments. See COI noticeboard. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 08:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok,, why not edit the article? It's referenced with reliable sources. Why not put it up for deletion? See, it's all good stuff. My father was a good man, no longer alive, but everything in the article is true and fair. See, it's easy to slap tags on articles, but it's hard to do what I do, which is contribute new content for the encyclopedia, and I have contributed hundreds and hundreds of articles on all sorts of subjects, and it's all good stuff.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The point of the conflict of interest guidelines is that editors writing about people they are connected to are not best placed to determine what is and isn't "all good stuff". Melcous (talk) 13:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * problem is, I'm connected to everybody and everything. Not just family, extended family, friends, acquaintances, my town, my state of New Jersey, my nation (USA), my world, political ideas and histories and even hypothetical planets and odd cultural memes. I'm connected to Wikipedia because I'm a Wikipedian. And, guess what, I think it's all good stuff. So, you would have me not write about anything because of a conflict of interest? Hmmmm?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you are being disingenuous. We all know there is a difference between writing about a place you ate at once and your immediate family members. No one is suggesting you stop writing about anything. Multiple editors have now kindly asked you to stop directly editing articles about members of your own family. Melcous (talk) 14:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * no I'm being sincere. You, assuming that I can't write about my immediate family, fairly and truly, because I'm "connected" to them, is a huge assumption on your part. I didn't make anything up. My contributions are referenced in reliable sources. I contribute using my real name. I don't accept money for anything I do in Wikipedia. About being more careful to disclose connections with my family members, okay I'll try to be more forthcoming in the future, although I'm usually impatient to begin writing about something else.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not my assumption, it is the policy of wikipedia. And your own editing has demonstrated that difficulty in being neutral in writing about family members by name dropping them into unrelated articles, and including excessive images, and promotional quotes in articles about them. It shouldn't be this difficult to simply agree to abide by the COI policy now that you have been asked to do so, Thank you. Melcous (talk) 14:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)